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Re: new to the group, need some advice/opinions [by Owen_Dyneto]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:45:09 -0000

General:: new to the group, need some advice/opinions
In addition to going thru the PAC directory and making contact with other Henney owners for parts leads, one other possibility is the Professional Car Society which caters to owners of limos, hearses, ambulances and flower cars.

Re: Henry's 55 Constellation [by cli55er]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:38:02 -0000

Project Blogs:: Henry's 55 Constellation
took the compensator motor off the torsion level suspension. yeah to say the least it is pretty nasty in there. lots of surface rust and corrosion. it will need a rebuild for sure.

enjoy.

i think this project blog has to be the most informative picture archive ever. i don't think i have seen a 55 in this many stages of pictures before, especially not all the components taken apart, so you can see what they look like. hope it helps others one day.

later,

Hank

Re: The History of Packard [by HH56]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:32:41 -0000

General:: The History of Packard
Dad bought a new 51 400 and a year later a used 300. We had both cars for several years and no major problems that I can recall. The 400 made several cross country trips. He traded the 300 in on a Mercury which was a dog and soon gotten rid of. I "inherited" the 400 going to HS, and never was a car treated so rudely, crudely or any other way-- but held up despite low oil, used oil, low grade gas, lead footed teenagers and just about any other indignity. All in all, a tremendously reliable car--even if it did have to stop at every other gas station.

My grandmother had a 51 Chrysler which also performed well although it did have some issues with the Fluid drive transmission caused when she aimed for low range and got reverse at about 20mph. It didn't destroy the trans and served her for several years but did have a tendency to slip out and grind gears. Wasn't frequent but required stepping on clutch, trans to neutral and back to drive, then all well until it happened again.

I really do think cars of that generation were not necessarily that much better but people were used to taking cars to the dealer for the more frequent service. Who knows how many problems were prevented by something being taken care of at no or low cost rather than breaking down one day.

Re: Lots of trouble finding parts for my 53 and 51 Packards [by kamstilla]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:24:35 -0000

General:: Lots of trouble finding parts for my 53 and 51 Packards
Again thanks for the insight. I'm new to car restoration and preservation. I bought my first Packard as a project, something that i could help teach myself basic mechanics and body work. Admittedly I'm not mechanically incline but I love the oldies and I know that "Nothing is worth having if you can't build it yourself." My intention were to build a 50's style low rider, but after driving my 53 Packard around and being stopped at every gas station, corner store, stop sign and even in my yard. I realized how special this car is. Not just because its an old car that still drives with the original motor but as a testament and reminder that the past (although seeming forgotten) is alive and well and is constantly wanting to be a part of our lives. I know now that the past lingers in the corners of our hearts. I can see it when i speak to people and listen to the many stories about their parents or an old neighbor who had or wanted a Packard. I see how the old feelings and memories fill their eyes while they look over the old car. My Packard is a visual time machine transporting them back to happier times and trivial forgotten moments that are like diamonds now that age has bleached them almost from memory.

Re: Henry Joy Tour [by clipper47]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:20:25 -0000

General:: Henry Joy Tour
Thanks for the photos also.

Re: New Guy Introcuction. [by RayGun]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:52:45 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: New Guy Introcuction.
Thanks guys! The information is great. Rich Fox mentioned the Olds oil pump change over. And also the MoPar LA lifters. The plan is also for some custom Ross pistons so they are nice and light, but not un-streetable.

The motor is going in a '31 Dodge 3 window coupe. It'll be open wheel, and no hood, so the Packard will be on display all the time. That's one of the reasons we're using it. My shop is known for using mostly vintage power plants, and whenever possible, odd stuff. I've been wanting to find the right customer that would let me use a 374 for quite some time now. We have a side line company call Victory Speed and we've been making 374 header flanges for quite some time now.

If you guys want to check out some of our other projects, go to http://www.hotrodchassisandcycle.com and then go the Gallery section.

I'll post photographs of the project on here. I should have the body by mid September (it's coming from California) and the motor by the end of the next week.

Re: Mal's '41 120 Coupe [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:32:25 -0000

Project Blogs:: Mal's '41 120 Coupe
Thursday 28th August 2008

Quote:

Ozstatman wrote:
Wednesday 27th August 2008.....Paul of Vintage Wiring Harness ........ will send the extra cable lengths today..........

Didn't get to the workshop today, but in the mail received the extra cable I ordered after speaking to Paul yesterday. Australia Post is doing something right!

Re: Website performance [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:25:48 -0000

General:: Website performance
Quote:

BigKev wrote:......looks like I must have flushed all the gremlins out!......

Kev,

If you've flushed all the gremlins then BEWARE! Isn't adding water what makes them grow?

1938 Parts For Sale [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:25:14 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1938 Parts For Sale
[Machdillon] 9:20 am: hi
[Machdillon] 9:20 am: I have some 1938 parts for sale

[Ozstatman] 12:19 pm: Machdillon - I will post your advice re 1938 parts for sale in the Pre-War and For Sale Forums because the posts here in the Chat Room are cleared and are not permanent. A couple of things: What parts? Prices? Contact Details? Location? All these will help. Regards from down-under. Mal

Found the above in the Chat Room and replied to it but I think it's better here and also in For Sale Forum. And will send a PM to Machdillon.

1938 Parts For Sale [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:23:12 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1938 Parts For Sale
[Machdillon] 9:20 am: hi
[Machdillon] 9:20 am: I have some 1938 parts for sale

[Ozstatman] 12:19 pm: Machdillon - I will post your advice re 1938 parts for sale in the Pre-War and For Sale Forums because the posts here in the Chat Room are cleared and are not permanent. A couple of things: What parts? Prices? Contact Details? Location? All these will help. Regards from down-under. Mal

Found the above in the Chat Room and replied to it but I think it's better here. And will send a PM to Machdillon.

Re: Checking Trans Level 52 Mayfair [by Bob]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:02:37 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Checking Trans Level 52 Mayfair
Hello,
If you locate the plastic bottles that are used for hair color, they have a sharp tip that makes it easier to fill. I used a 6 oz bottle and squeezed in a few ounces at a time. It was the only size I could invert and fill the tranny without making a mess. You might want to see if you can find a small bottle and use a spout from bottled water. This way you can invert the bottle and then slide open the spout. I do this with my Volvo. It's the cleanest method and you don't need a funnel. Hope this helps....

Re: "Special" items when converting to 12 volt? [by HH56]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:13:12 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: "Special" items when converting to 12 volt?
Quote:

In addition, this minimizes total drag on the engine, as the 12 volt alternator is running ONLY when the AC compressor is running.

and
Quote:

There is NO need to run the alternator anytime the compressor is not running, since the alternaotr can easily recharge the battery enough to replace the power used to simply engage the AC clutch, simply by running whenever the compressor is running

That belt arrangement makes more sense but goes contrary to what you said in your first post. Granted it won't be NEEDED unless AC is on but the alternator WILL be running all the time with this belt arrangement-- but the compressor won't unless AC is on.

Re: Automatic transmission fluid [by johnlaw]

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:05:00 -0000

General:: Automatic transmission fluid
yes "Lucas Trans Additive", one bottle is added to the trans fluid. It helps soften the shift and assists with the lubrication for the tran parts, it is compatible with ALL trans fluids, we use it in our Police Cars as the transmissions really take a pounding!! It also helps with minor trans leaks. Any good parts store caries it. Dale

Re: Horn color [by Highlander160]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:53:08 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Horn color
To the best of my memory they're shiney black, but not a real ultra deep finish. Just basic gloss.

12 psi radiator caps ok per Packard itself, BUT . . . [by JimGnitecki]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:50:02 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 12 psi radiator caps ok per Packard itself, BUT . . .
I posted this under BigKev's service counselor posting on the "General" forum, but figured it was important enough to post separately too, so that all owners of post-war Packards could see it:

Per page 11 of one of the service counselors: When too many Packard started to overflow hot (expanded) coolant into the overflow line from the radiator, Packard itself advised the dealer mechanics to, where required, change from the factory 7 psi radiator cap to a 12 psi cap!

This 12 psi cap became the "standard" after a certain number of 26th series cars were built, and was permissable to be retrofitted to 24th and 25th series cars as well.

HOWEVER: the bulletin also said to check the condition of hoses, clamps, and water outlet gasket on the cylinder head at the same time, and replace them "if necessary". Translation: With 12 psi versus 7psi on them, the hoses, clamps, or gasket could fail if not in good condition!

The implication of course is also that the REST of the Packard cooling system can handle the 12 psi. That includes the radiator itself, the cylinder head gasket, the coolant lines to and from the heater, and the in-car heater core.

It is that last item that really concerns me on any surviving Packard. On my own Packard for example, the previous owner had replaced the radiator cap with a 16 psi (not 12 psi) cap. That had caused BOTH the radiator and the heater core (inside the car!) to fail earlier than they otherwise would have. BOTH failures cause trouble: the radiator leak of course can strand you and will require radiator repair or replacement, while the ehater core failure not only necessitates replacement, but also floods the interior of the car carpeting and steel floor with corrosive coolant, which does its nasty business until finally discovered, cleaned and dried out, and replaced.

Just a warning . . .

Jim G

Re: Service Counselors (or Service Letters) and Service Technical Bulletins [by JimGnitecki]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:39:46 -0000

General:: Service Counselors (or Service Letters) and Service Technical Bulletins
Examples of tidbits I found when I took the time to look:

1. Page 11 of one of the SCs: Packard acknowledged that some (did not say what percentage) of Packards left the factory with burrs on the sybchronizer for 2nd gear. This manifests as a less than smooth shift from 1st to 2nd. Cure: remove the burrs.

2. Pagee 22 of one of the SCs:Some 24th, 25th, and 26th series Packard had water temperature guages that read "too high" for owners' comfort. The cure? After about 6000 of th 26th series were already built, Packard added a "gauge regulator" to the back of the water temp gauge tolower the displayed reading! Then, they later changed the sensor itself on the engine! They warn you to not EVER use a COMBINATION of the regulator and new sensor, as that would give too low a reading!

3. Page 11 of another SC: When too many Packard started to overflow hot (expanded) coolant into the overflow line from the radiator, Packard itself advised the dealer mechanics to, where required, change from the factory 7 psi radiator cap to a 12 psi cap! This 12 psi cap became the "standard" after a certain number of 26th series cars were built, and was permissable to be retrofitted to 24th and 25th series cars. HOWEVER: the bulletin also said that the condition of hoses, clamps, and water outlet gasket on the cylinder head at the same time, and replace them "if necessary". Translation: With 12 psi versus 7psi on them, the hoses, clamps, or gasket could fail if not in good condition!

And here we thought Packards were perfect as delivered, and that Packard engineering took no shortcuts . . .

Jim G

1955 Packard Truck V8 in 2008 [by Jack Vines]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:56:29 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1955 Packard Truck V8 in 2008
Greetings, Packard V8s,

For many Studebaker-Packard adherents, it has been a subject of some discussion as to how Studebaker should have offered the Packard V8 in Studebaker trucks. There could even have been a deluxe variant Packard truck, a la the Packard Hawk.

To investigate what this might have looked like, I'm building a Packard V8 to go in my 1955 Studebaker E12 3/4t truck. For the first iteration externally it will look as if it all came from the S-P parts bins. Later, I may consider adding EFI and crank-triggered ignition.

1. 1955 Packard 352" bored to 4.070" for 364" (no misprint).
2. 1979-91 Ford 370" heavy-duty truck pistons with a cast iron top groove insert and a D-shaped dish. These pistons w/pins weigh 173 grams more than a standard Packard 352" piston w/pin. They have to have .050" taken off the top and .1875" off inside each pin boss.
3. Packard V8 connecting rods, pin bushings pressed out and pin bores honed for Ford 1.040" pressed pins. Rods have been extensively machined on a lathe and hand ground to remove 72 grams of weight.
4. 1968 Ford 428" 41# steel billet flywheel with center hole enlarged and drilled to Packard bolt circle, modified to mount Packard ring gear.
5. Packard v8 camshaft reground to contemporary truck specifications for a flat torque curve from 1000-4000 RPMs.
Jones Cam Designs Part# H62279-112
248/248 @ .006"
227/227 @ .020"
192/192 @ .050"
.279"/.279" Lobe Lift
112 LSA
7. Custom-built oil pump with three times the bearing area of the OEM pump, 1/2" thick cast iron bottom plate, and the second-design cam retainer plate and spacer.
8. A custom five-speed transmission, built from a 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk Borg-Warner T10 four-speed with a 1956 Borg-Warner R11 overdrive unit.
9. The one visible non-stock part will be a Dodge Viper two-speed electric fan. The C-cab doesn't have much sound insulation and the stock fan is ...

Re: new guy questions [by mikec]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:03:39 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: new guy questions
My truck feels like the axles are welded to the frame.

the cars ride feels alright for now.

On a different subject, How much wold this car be worth? I need to insure it, and the question has come up.

I saw a restored one going for $11,000.

Re: Eric's 1925 Packard Barchetta Speedster Project [by Peter Packard]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:16:06 -0000

Project Blogs:: Eric's 1925 Packard Barchetta Speedster Project
G'day Eric and David, the top of the gear lever is not threaded. There is around 5 inches difference in the 38 Six to Eight steering column. I hve fitted a Six column to my 38 Eight as I wanted a bit more room to the steering wheel. It looks and works fine. Best regards Peter Toet

Re: Removing Door Lock Knobs. [by BigKev]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:27:28 -0000

General:: Removing Door Lock Knobs.
I doing some work with the Service Counselors for an upcoming project, and I noticed there is an article in the August 1952 Counselor (Vol 26, No. 8) that describes the building of a MacGuiver style heater our of scrap parts. This heater was used to heat the door knobs to 150 degrees which softened the plastic enough to pull if off the barbed metal rod. So I guess the heat method is the Packard recommended removal method for door lock knobs going back as far at 1952.

Please read this Service Counselor (located in the 1952 SC set here on the website) for the article.

Re: ZIS 110 [by Packard53]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:27:41 -0000

ZIS, ZIL, and other Packard Cousins!:: ZIS 110
Guscha and the anyone else interested:

Here is a picture I found on the web of the dash board of a 1949 ZIS 110.

John F. Shireman

Re: Henney Glass Wanted [by mikec]

Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:09:19 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Henney Glass Wanted
Email sent miles. Call me if i can help.

Re: Not what you�d expect [by JimGnitecki]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:42:28 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Not what you�d expect
I just today received a complete steering wheel from someone, from which I plan to harvest a few parts to replace mine. It's 18 inches in diameter. I weighed it on the postal scale.

It weighs over 8 pounds!

Jim G

Re: ZIS-101 / 101a Sport / 102 / 101a / 102a / 103 / 101b [by Guscha]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:35:31 -0000

ZIS, ZIL, and other Packard Cousins!:: ZIS-101 / 101a Sport / 102 / 101a / 102a / 103 / 101b
Quote:

Did any of the Russian Packards make it to Cuba at any time??? Maybe some of the South American counties???

Dear PackardV8, could you please repeat that with other words? I'm not sure to understand. Did you asked if a Russian Packard was shipped to Cuba? Or produced on Cuba? Sorry, it's not easy.

I found a nice looking book cover related to that issue:

http://www.textbooksrus.com/search/bookdetail/?isbn=0807858870

Re: horn relay [by fern51]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:19:12 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: horn relay
that is what i figured. thanks for the reinforcement

Re: V8 Pistons [by PackardV8]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:05:57 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: V8 Pistons
I'm done with the balancing topic.

Jack, tell us about your truck engine. I assume the "364" was a misprint and should have read "374" ???

Are the F pistons u use a 4.125" diameter to fit 374 engine???

Re: Rear Springs [by Owen_Dyneto]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:58:36 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Rear Springs
I too have had lousy battery life from batteries bought from the boutique battery companies. I had 3 or 4 of the Group 60 type for the V8 cars, and don't think I ever got more than 24 months from any of them and the warranties were esentially useless because you had to pay the shipping cost back. Went to a Group 63 from Interstate and am in my 4th year and still OK.

Re: 1953 Washer Unit [by Bob]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:23:31 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1953 Washer Unit
Thank you for the information, you saved me the trouble of buying the wrong unit.
Bob

Re: Need help identifying/finding 41 160 special window crank [by flackmaster]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:30:32 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Need help identifying/finding 41 160 special window crank
I certainly do not recognize this as any "standard" pre-war Packard handle. The ball at the end is press-pin standard for 36-37 juniors, I believe 35-37 seniors, and some seniors through 41, so getting a ball should be easy. the handle would not be a difficult, or expensive, casting and it would save you many many steps in searching. Brass would be easy to plate. Having said that, you would probably then start tripping over them...but if anyone knew what they fit, the price might be a shocker. If you need a referral to a caster I have had good luck with, email me at flackmaster@sbcglobal.net

Re: "K" Steering wheel [by Owen_Dyneto]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:08:03 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: "K" Steering wheel
The "K" wheel is in considerable demand, far outstripping the supply. One is very good condition or previously restored goes for big money.

Re: VIDEO [by Peter Packard]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:22:27 -0000

General:: VIDEO
G'day all, Great video, they started out as "free range" chickens and ended up as "Battery hens!" Like the '40. Best Regards and keep 'em coming. Peter Toet

Re: 56 Patrician inside window trim/beading [by Turbopackman]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:23:07 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 56 Patrician inside window trim/beading
Since I've sold this car and my daily driver '56 Patrician in Febuary and the cars are still in my possession, then I'd say it's safe to say that they're not going anywhere and I can sell parts off them. So, whatever your friend needs, let me know and I'll see if it's on the car and useable.

Re: Owners registry [by mikec]

Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:19:58 -0000

General:: Owners registry
I think the size is the issue.

Re: The last car Henry Ford ever rode in.... [by Guscha]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:14:22 -0000

General:: The last car Henry Ford ever rode in....
Dear Don, Dear Mal, you're welcome.

German publications also describe in detail his way and influence with all due respect.
But look I live in Germany and the German postwar books mention lights and darks of this picture with a special ...political accentuation.

But apart from that I found a link to a contribution of wikipedia which called Henry Ford as a name giver of a complete new social theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordism

Re: 1955 Clipper Panama [by Ozstatman]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:26:43 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1955 Clipper Panama
Quote:

beej8508 wrote:
I just bought the car .........

Byran,

Welcome to the site and thanks for adding your '55 Clipper Panama to the Owner Registry.

Re: 41 160 Buisness cpe info wtd [by Highlander160]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:21:52 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 41 160 Buisness cpe info wtd
by flackmaster on 2008/8/24 20:48:57

My eyes are missing something. could you post a picture of the dashboard and of the data plate please? Negative, yours would be #3 on my radar. The PA car came from a known long time collector who also has a 160 Convertible and has begun to face the music.

What are you missing? Data plate is 1478. Sold new in PA, originally titled in Jan 41. Here's the instrument cluster still in place, and Here's the interior showing the doors, handles, woodgrain.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103/Highlander809/41PkrdMdwbrk086.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103/Highlander809/41PkrdMdwbrk085.jpg

It's a 160 if that's where you were going. I've looked a long time for this. What else are you looking for?

Bigkev...I finally got to see the dealer info. Very interesting, very exciting.

Re: 1956 Build Slip Codes [by Owen_Dyneto]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:23:34 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1956 Build Slip Codes
Sounds like a truely worthwhile endeavor, I look forward to seeing the final product.

Re: Ignition switch bezel [by HH56]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:09:37 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Ignition switch bezel
PV8. Interesting idea. Hadn't tried bending because sleeve is hard copper but maybe will bend or can be softened a bit. Will give it a try.

Re: Dash switches on a '36 1401.... [by Packard Twelve fan]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:44:12 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Dash switches on a '36 1401....
1401 ? My recollection is that in 1936 the "01" series was still a legit SENIOR car, meaning wood-grained dash (for 1938, Packard tried to "pull a fast one" on its customers by calling the JUNIOR / "120" series an EIGHT, so these comments only apply to the question about 1936.

The photos these people are referring to (except for the "hot rodded" (lowered) '37 Formal Sedan), are all "120's" which did NOT have wood-grain.

For you "120" or "JUNIOR" series Packards, the correct factory original dash paint was a gun-metal "metallic" silver.

Re: New Website Server [by BigKev]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:22:14 -0000

General:: New Website Server
I found a new module, but had to change a bunch of code to integrate it into the website. The I had to write a couple of custom import scripts to move all the data from the format that the old module used, into the format that the new module used.

Re: 1939 Packard Henney Hearse [by byronlsmith]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:53:59 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1939 Packard Henney Hearse
is ;the car still for sale and if so how much?

Re: Dave's 2279 restoration [by 49packard]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:42:48 -0000

Project Blogs:: Dave's 2279 restoration
I think I have done 5 or so cars. Most were at about the level of this convertible. One, I bought as a parts car turned out to be better than the one I was restoring. So I switched which one was restored. I'd have to count to know for sure. I have done engines/transmissions for a 33, 34, 37, 2 38s -one 6cyl and one Super 8, 39, 2 40s, 2 47s, 2 48s, 2 49s that I can think of right off the top.

We'll just have to wait and see how this one comes out and especially if I can get it done for Branson.

Re: 56 Trunk Lock [by PackardV8]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:34:04 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 56 Trunk Lock
How long is the rod????

Re: 2008 Shannons Eastern Creek Classic [by 41ParPack]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:17:26 -0000

General:: 2008 Shannons Eastern Creek Classic
Mal
Thanks for the Packard shots from down under.
The 46 Clipper survivor looks like it might be a Six (no whiskers). Do you have the survivor story?
I think the 1941s were the only Eights (282cid) to not have chrome grille whiskers coming around the fender.
After 41 only the Six cyl were that way.
But then I have seen more 41-47 Clippers in books than for real.
DanL

Re: Packard Clubs & Service Suppliers [by Cam]

Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:37:46 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Packard Clubs & Service Suppliers
Sorry, you are right is pretty vague. I am in Muskoka, about two hours north east of Toronto. So would like to find a service outlet somewhere in central Ontario if I can find it.

Re: Torsion level pamphlet [by BigKev]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:05:00 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Torsion level pamphlet
Isnt John (Mr. PB) part of Motor City PAC. Perhaps he can offer an assist with getting that DVD ordered.

Re: Oil Filter Lines [by BigKev]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:51:45 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Oil Filter Lines
I will have to go take a look at the center post hole on my filter. I seem to remember it being bigger. Hmmmm

Re: Sealed beam conversion kits [by tolandis]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:20:04 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Sealed beam conversion kits
never used it myself, but found this website on rhodium plating. sounds simple. http://www.essortment.com/lifestyle/rhodiumplating_skvm.htm

Packard Car Design [by packard34]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:23:00 -0000

General:: Packard Car Design
Whilst Looking around the net I came across this link on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWrR9Ph22zQ This is titled:"Packard car design Mis dise�os de automoviles 2" and shows a short 2 minute clip on his prototype Packard the company is curently owned by Roy Gullickson. But once again this great name is up for sale again (according to http://www.packardmotorcar.com/PackardNews.htm )

Enjoy

Re: Torsion level.. need help [by Turbopackman]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:34:06 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Torsion level.. need help
I had that problem of "sudden changes in altitude" for a while on my '56 Patrician, and it turned out to be a bad box. You'd be driving down the road and for no reason it'll decide to go in "low rider mode". The wife was convinced it was possessed, and still does to this day. It turns out one of the wires inside the box had gotten tangled and was making contact at certain times when you hit a bump just right. I know it doesn't explain your situation with all the electrical disconnected, but it may help others in the future, plus it's a funny story!

Re: Getting new tires on a 34 [by 41ParPack]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:24:30 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Getting new tires on a 34
34PacRoadst
Great to hear of your satisfaction!

Another Packard is good for thousands of miles.

Enjoy rollin' in Austin.

DanL

Re: Clipper Art Photo [by 41ParPack]

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:55:20 -0000

General:: Clipper Art Photo
What?
Is that the ghost of a PInfo website member at the wheel of that sunlite Packard?
Look again, Scott, I do believe could be.

DanL

Re: Lazy clutch [by clipper47]

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:33:35 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Lazy clutch
HH56, I thought of that also. The solenoid piston with rubber end seats against the lip of the poppet valve assembly and not against the valve disc so the fact that the valve disc is cocked is not likely to affect the sealing off of the vacuum. I think that your first assumption is the correct one . The solenoid piston rubber is simply not seating against the poppet valve assembly.

Re: Unusual decanter [by 39super8]

Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:49:48 -0000

General:: Unusual decanter
Looks like the fix you mentioned in the thread �new web server� fixed my thread as well. Boy, for a second I thought it was just me.

Re: Priming the oil pump [by PackardV8]

Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:17:53 -0000

General:: Priming the oil pump
find an oil gallery plug at the highest point of the engine and furthest away from the pump.
Either pour oil in the gallery or in liue of a vacuum pump pull in another car real close to the engine and attach a hose from the intake manifold to the oil gallery.

The last method can be dangerous if using another car for vacuum source. The engine must be stopped as soon as the oil rises so try to use a clear tube.

Pour some oil into cylinders.

Re: Advice for Checking Out Sitting Cars [by MrPushbutton]

Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:40:28 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Advice for Checking Out Sitting Cars
I was looking for a 10" Wurlitzer tibia, 4'-up and a Wurlitzer 10" Tuba horn/Harmonic tuba. I got a donation of the tuba rank, and I now have a line on a Tibia to long-term borrow, from a group that should either long term loan or gift rather than have it collect dust in storage.

Re: 1953 Packard Corporate Limo [by Rusty O\'Toole]

Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:24:07 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1953 Packard Corporate Limo
Supply and demand, supply and demand.

Fifties Packards are much less in demand than prewar "classic" Packards. And big sedans and limousines are less popular than convertibles hardtops or even station wagons.

Your car is far scarcer than a 1957 Chev Bel Air convertible, yet there are far more people bidding on the Chevies.

You have a very rare car there. Unfortunately it's the cheap, flashy Chev convertibles, Thunderbirds etc that catch the public's eye.

Oil pump adapter kit [by Craig]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:46:19 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Oil pump adapter kit
Just FYI:

The 1955-56 Packard V-8 oil pump adapter kits are currently selling at a rate of about 1 per month on eBay. I've shipped two to Australia and one to Canada. 100% satisfaction so far. The kit has gotten several 55-56 Packards back on the road whereas they were undriveable before kit install.

Thanks to everybody (Eric, Keith, Kevin, TJ and moi) who contributed to the development of this successful kit!

I'm currently sold out and do not expect any more plates and drive shafts for a couple of months. Also, I've depleted local inventory on allen-head capscrews.

Craig

Re: '51 packard in junkyard [by AL]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:37:02 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: '51 packard in junkyard
Packard 12

What you say is true. The same thing was said to me when I bought my 55 Patrician, and the words were true and still are. However there is one mitigating circumstance that no one seems to take into consideration, very few of us working stiffs have the full purchase price of a done car at one time. In 1993 when I bought my car, I talked to a relatively well know Packard owner/collector/restorer in the Atlanta area about what it would cost me to restore my car to a decent driver status. He basically told me that for the 11K it would most likely cost me to restore mine I could buy one that was already done for around 8K. True enough but I never had the 8K at any one time to be able to buy one. So instead over a 4 year period I spent well over 8K restoring mine but it was a bit here and a bit there. True over the last 15 years I have probably spent over 15K on the car but still never had the purchase price of a done car at any one given time.

Just food for thought.

Alk

Re: 1907 Packard Stone Entrance Auction Results [by 55Packardconv]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:31:53 -0000

General:: 1907 Packard Stone Entrance Auction Results
I just got home after driving past the remains of the Packard Plant, and whoever bought the smaller of the two entrances didn't waste any time -- it's already gone. Scaffolding has been erected around the "Packard 1907" entryway, so it's just a few days away from being gone too. Beyond the two radiator shapes on the Boulevard bridge and the bases of the two bridge clocks, there are really no other artifacts left at 1580 E. Grand. It's a pretty forlorn looking mess now.

Sic transit gloria mundi

Re: 55 Clipper Interior Paint [by Loyd Smith]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:39:23 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 55 Clipper Interior Paint
Just read my previous post and emphasise that this deduction/interpretation and examination of original interior colour of metal painted trim was for exterior Trim Code, "F."

Interior colours seem to have been listed as simply, "Dark Blue," "Dark Green," "Black," etc. except for this service letter I'd never seen before.

Re: Repainting the window washer lid [by johnlaw]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:00:35 -0000

General:: Repainting the window washer lid
Try the paint section in Lowes or Home Depot they sell a type of paint called Hammer Color in spray cans, It is a type that gives a look of a ripple coat and I have used it to coat antique trunks that I have redone,and it comes in different colors such silver and light gray that you might try. Dale

Re: Big Thanks! [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:33:14 -0000

General:: Big Thanks!
Kev,

Very happy to help out in whatever way possible. What benefits the website also benefits us, the users, so it's a two way thing. The BIG THANKS really goes to you for all your efforts.

Re: 1955-56 V-8 oil pump [by BigKev]

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:36:40 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1955-56 V-8 oil pump
**MOVED TO V8 FORUM**

Magazine article [by sawman]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:54:30 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Magazine article
In the August 08 Vintage Truck mag there is an story about Packard trucks.They are at www.vintagetruckmagazine.com

Re: 56 Performance Data [by HH56]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:06:03 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 56 Performance Data
Sent you a PM.

Re: wanted 1951 senior bumper guards [by Bob1951]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:17:35 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: wanted 1951 senior bumper guards
I need the bumper guards like the ones on Turbopackman's 51 without the cross bar. I'll check with the people suggested and see what I can come up with. Maybe replacing them is stupid. The ones on the car now are straight. Maybe I should check into having them replated. Chrome plating is so expensive I've been avoiding it.

Re: Portlandon's 1955 400 [by portlandon]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:01:17 -0000

Project Blogs:: Portlandon's 1955 400
I now have both front & back seats out. I also have been tearing into the engine. I have been dismantling the old engine, stripping it down to a bare block w/crank & pistons inplace. I'm dropping the intake,heads,& water pump housing off to be tanked & magnifluxed sometime this week. Also am trying to figure out what I am going to do with the exhaust manifolds. Nothing looks worse than a freshly painted engine and corroded exhaust manifolds. What kind of finish lasts the longest on them that doesn't burn off or change color from the heat? Also I glass beaded & painted the air cleaner cover & valve covers.

Re: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan [by BigKev]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:18:45 -0000

Project Blogs:: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan
Bob,

Thanks for the info on those wreches. I will have to pick up a set.

Also I fixed the pictures. Just a file access persmission issue on some of the pictures which happened when copied from the old server.

Sometimes you just need to use the BIG Hammer!

Re: Where do I find paint codes [by Highlander160]

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:07:44 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Where do I find paint codes
Try this:
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/ant.html

The colors don't come through the computer screen in perfect shade, but it gives an idea and an older "IM----" color code. Pretty handy site for us resto junkies.

Re: Windshield wipers [by Esprit80]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:48:17 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Windshield wipers
Hi,

Great! I'll try the manner described in the service note.

Thank you !!

Xavier

Re: It's A girl - New Arrival [by Ozstatman]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:07:05 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: It's A girl - New Arrival
Quote:

packard34 wrote:
Fellow Packard members......the 1955 Caribbean which I purchased a few months ago has finally landed down under. I picked the car up today and well... I LOVE IT. The car needs a bit of work but thats the fun of it all...........It feels like christmas Regards,Mat

That's great Mat. And as you said, now the fun part starts. Congratulations, and hope to see it soon at a Packard Club run here. I'll take a pic of you and the Caribbean and post it here not for your embarrassment but for everyone's enjoyment.

Not this - , but this -

Re: This forum [by Guscha]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:16:08 -0000

ZIS, ZIL, and other Packard Cousins!:: This forum
Thank you Kevin, I will take prompt advantage.

Re: WTB: 48-50 or 55-56 packard [by Packard53]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:23:46 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: WTB: 48-50 or 55-56 packard
Jreeder41: I sent you a PM. I might have a lead for you.
I live in Jersey Shore, Penna.

John F. Shireman

Re: lifters [by halesprtans]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:14:41 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: lifters
THANKS FOR THE REPLY..

Re: Smilies [by Turbopackman]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:39:41 -0000

General:: Smilies
I found a good one that suits Mal perfectly: LOL!

Re: Newest Articles [by Ozstatman]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:11:30 -0000

General:: Newest Articles
Quote:

BigKev wrote:........Sorry I sat on it for so long.

Well it did arrive flat! But then again, it is a book.

Re: Serial numbers [by BigKev]

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:37:49 -0000

General:: Serial numbers
My car was also registered in Calif using it's engine serial number.

Re: do we have one of these on this site? [by BH]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:46:47 -0000

General:: do we have one of these on this site?
I have a set of those from some time ago (before eBAy), but there isn't one shred of information that you couldn't find in the factory parts catalogs, shop manuals, and flat rate books.

I'll scan the flat rate book for 1955-56 this winter.

Re: Fast warming engine? [by Esprit80]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:34 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Fast warming engine?
Hello,

Thanks for the extra info.

The engine oil has been replaced only a few weeks ago, the oil we filled it up now is 20W50. I think I will use the car for small trips and replace the engine oil within a few hundred miles. Then I can check if there is dirt at the bottom.

I will wait with adding extra products until this checkout has been made.

Can the ticking noise cause some problems for the engine?

I suppose it will take its time to get the engine complete free of its sleeping period.

Thanks.

Xavier

Re: No Packards!?!? [by JW]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:14:23 -0000

General:: No Packards!?!?
Guys & Gals, there were many Packards at Pebble. They had their own class (C-2 I believe), and there were three in the Preservation class. Please see my earlier posting. The photos should be interesting and enjoyable.

Packards at Pebble [by JW]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:40 -0000

General:: Packards at Pebble
I had the pleasure of attending the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance yesterday. There were approximately 175 cars displayed including many rare and beautiful Packards. Most impressive, to me, was the 1931 prototype V-12 front wheel drive car in the Preservation class. I took photos of all the Packards and will share them with you all upon my return to Austin at the end of the month. It was a great show. A 1937 Lebaron bodied Packard was one of the three finalists for the Best of Show award. An Alfa Romeo won the award. Please stay tuned ...

Re: Question on Floor Pan Differences Between a '48 and '47 [by 49packard]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:51 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Question on Floor Pan Differences Between a '48 and '47
Right on brother. Preserving the history of a fine automobile. Keep think that way.

Re: 1930 Wire wheels vs disc [by West Peterson]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:13:09 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1930 Wire wheels vs disc
Thank you, Dave. Exactly the information I was looking for.
West

Re: Wanted: Timing plate from a pre-'50 Packard [by Turbopackman]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:09:05 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted: Timing plate from a pre-'50 Packard
Now THAT is service!!

Re: 1938 Packard Twelve mystery shifter? [by Packard53]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:46:18 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1938 Packard Twelve mystery shifter?
Petey: Here is a picture of an in-line twelve cylinder that Packard did build.

John F. Shireman

Re: fuel tank replacement [by mtpackard51]

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:40:23 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: fuel tank replacement
There was post from Packardprince a while back on this subject. He was making stainless replacement tanks. Link to this page:

http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=732&forum=2&post_id=5147#forumpost5147

If that doesn't work, just go the the search function on this site and type in "stainless tank", and you can find the old post.

Re: `53 Patrician Hydraulic Windows/ Seats [by HH56]

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:05:39 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: `53 Patrician Hydraulic Windows/ Seats
Might give these people at Hydro-E-Lectric a try. I bought window cylinders from them several years ago. There is another company but can't think of their name right now.

http://www.hydroe.com/

Re: Wheels [by Packard Twelve fan]

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:01:41 -0000

General:: Wheels
You people are confusing me with your talk of "rims" and "wheels". Hopefully, some of you guys can get me straightned out - I really honestly THOUGHT I knew something about automotive and light truck wheel technology.

It is my understanding that the entire American auto industry buys their wheels from MOTOR RIM AND WHEEL or BUDD. I am not aware of ANY American auto manufacturer who EVER made their own wheels.

It is my understanding that NO American car has used a wheel with a separate "rim" on their wheels since the introduction of the "drop center" steel wheel in the mid 1930's (the wheel's rim is welded and/or rivited to the wheel's "disk" and thus are not a "service" part). I should qualify this by noting that early 1930's Packards could be ordered with spoke wheels, but I KNOW they will not fit post-war Packards. In any event, my recollection is the spokes were WELDED, so you couldn't get the rims off the wheels.

Straighten me out, guys !

Re: Frank's 1950 Packard Standard [by BigKev]

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:11:34 -0000

Project Blogs:: Frank's 1950 Packard Standard
The grille is made of potmetal. So removing it is the best case senario as they dont like to bend or twist without breaking! The core support is the really the keystone in the front end sheetmetal.

Re: rod and main bearing x-fit [by PackardV8]

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:21:39 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: rod and main bearing x-fit
posting to make current

Re: Connecting rod suppliers and other short block thoughts [by PackardV8]

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:16:43 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Connecting rod suppliers and other short block thoughts
posting to keep current.

Re: Thermostat retainer [by 49_DeluxeEight]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:37:17 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Thermostat retainer
The fins on the pumpkin are the problem. I'll tell you what I did just this morning to get my differential fill plug out.

Take a 1/2" combo wrench and use the open end on the square plug. But when you put it on, put it straight out toward the front of the car. Not like you'd normally use the wrench, but straight onto the top of the fill plug, just as if you were going to insert it into the fill hole. Then use a screwdriver in the closed-end part of the wrench to make a "T" out it. Just turn the "T" to turn the fill plug straight out.

I just replaced my pinion seal. You can see what I am doing in an "under construction" page -here-.

Re: VIN Number [by Ozstatman]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:15:29 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: VIN Number
Quote:

BSwank wrote:
My wife and I just bought our first Packard. It is a 1947 Clipper..........

G'day BSwank and your good wife,

Congratulations with the purchase of your '47 Clipper. Great site here. If you haven't already done so could you please add your Clipper to the Owner Registry with a pic, and history if known?

And BigKev,

Seems like this should be in the Post War Forum. Can you weave your technological magic and transfer this entire thread over there?

Re: windshield [by Ozstatman]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:52:14 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: windshield
G'day fern51,

Welcome to the site. Don't forget to add your '51 200 Deluxe to the Owner Registry and include a pic, and history if known please.

Re: Minor Gas Tank Leak... [by Rusty O\'Toole]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:43:45 -0000

General:: Minor Gas Tank Leak...
Just to complete the thought... if your fuel filter is full of rust flakes, replace the tank with a new one or have the old one relined as soon as possible. If you don't it will only get worse.

Re: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean [by randy berger]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:21:27 -0000

Project Blogs:: Randy Berger's 1956 Caribbean
Eric, you are welcome if you are ever in the Western Pa (where all the good NFL Qbacks are from) area. If the Carib is running I'll let you drive it.
Tolandis, it was a good thought, but the V8 pumps are all the same and there is no way to press the end on further. The fan belt would not run true then as the fan pulley mounts directly to the adapter on the end of the water pump shaft.

Re: Kanter Deluxe Kit for V8 [by Jack Vines]

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:38:01 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Kanter Deluxe Kit for V8
Correct, on the V8 pistons, the word "Bohnalite" is often seen on the side of the pin boss in small letters.

thnx, jack vines

Re: PS Pulley as drive for AC Compressor? [by Turbopackman]

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:12:43 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: PS Pulley as drive for AC Compressor?
Don't use the first balancer in your link, as it's 28oz imbalance, and will tear your engine apart. You need a balancer that's for an internally balanced engine, like the one I posted in post #16.

Re: Post about 53 Patrician in the Chat room [by Owen_Dyneto]

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:24:23 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Post about 53 Patrician in the Chat room
Even if "fully" restored (which can cover a lot of territory, or miss alot of territory) 10 years is a LONG storage as far as the hydraulic portion of the brake system goes. I wouldn't put it on the road and go 10 feet without completely pulling the drums, checking the wheel cylinders and hoses, flushing the steel lines, etc. If they were good before the linings may still be OK, but there's a good chance the wheel cylinders will need rebuilding at the least, and a chance of the same for the TreadleVac. If it had good storage, perhaps the hoses would be OK but if it were my car, I wouldn't take the chance.