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Re: Packard's Unintended Acceleration Problem [by Packard53]

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:34:58 -0000

General:: Packard's Unintended Acceleration Problem
Toyota and Honda engineers trying to come up with a solution to Packard's unintended acceleration problems while having some refreshments.

John F. Shireman

Re: 1914 Packard 138 Phaeton - Ebay [by Guscha]

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:33:22 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1914 Packard 138 Phaeton - Ebay
Bill, that's a movie scene from The Wild Bunch; 1969.

[picture source: www.imcdb.org]

Re: Henry Ford & Packard (trivia)... [by LINC400]

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:14:43 -0000

General:: Henry Ford & Packard (trivia)...
Quote:

58L8134 wrote:
Hi LINC400

Consulting my copy of The Cars of Lincoln-Mercury by Dammann and Wagner page 36, noted in the section on 1925: �In September, almost in time to be considered a 1926 vehicle, Lincoln introduced its 150-inch wheelbase Commercial Chassis.�

Pictured in sections on �25, �26. �28, �29 and �30 are Model L�s with hearse and ambulance bodies on this chassis, built by Eureka, Miller, Langerquist, Brownell & Burt, and surprisingly Dietrich. Eureka appears to have been the largest user. One custom bodied Brougham by Murphy for a private owner is pictured in the 1930 section.

In the 1930�s section, �32, �34, �36-�39 show hearses and ambulance by Eureka, Knightstown, Henney & Derham. Commercial chassis wheelbases are variously noted as 145�, 150�, 155�, 157� & 160�. Best known car built on the late Lincoln K commercial chassis is the 1939 �Sunshine Special� for FDR. Another late K commercial chassis of 160� is mounted with a Willoughby Panel Brougham body for a private owner, displayed in The Crawford Collection in Cleveland.

The book Lincoln and Continental, Classic Motorcars, The Early Years by Marvin Arnold has a production figures index with body types, commercial chassis numbers included for most years. The figures for most years are miniscule; small wonder no Lincoln funeral coach was readily available for Henry Ford�s last ride.

Steve

Ok, Lincoln offered no commercial chassis postwar. And with the last one being offered in 1937, 10 years old by the time Henry Ford died, and in extremely low numbers, it is no surprise a Lincoln hearse could not be located.

I have seen a 1958 Edsel ambulance and a 1962 Chrysler New Yorker hearse. That does not mean they were readily available. Or that you could locate one on short notice even when new, much less when 10 years old.

Re: '38 tranny to 53 patrician, will it work? [by monypenny07]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:52:37 -0000

Modification Discussion:: '38 tranny to 53 patrician, will it work?
Oh thats perfect, so it will fit, with some slight modifications. The engine mounts should be no problem as he can make them in his shop! Thanks

Re: How to Bench Test a Starter? [by Guscha]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:05:07 -0000

General:: How to Bench Test a Starter?
John, I tried to turn the difficulty of determining the rotary direction of an engine into an advantage. If the driver of the first version of a Lanz Bulldog wanted to drive reverse then he stopped the engine and started it the other way round.
Today's owner use a retrofitted direction gauge to be on the safe side.

The central question within this thread doubtless is how to bench test a starter.

Re: The Bill Allison 55 Patrician [by PackardV8]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:28:02 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: The Bill Allison 55 Patrician
Rusty. Test bucks are always needed as long as anything is in production. For further testing and refinement for current oncoming model years.

Re: LEft exh. pipe and Bendix PS slave cyl. [by randy berger]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:31:51 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: LEft exh. pipe and Bendix PS slave cyl.
About the same as Owen's on both cars - Monroe system. I left the heat riser in place - system designed with that piece in place.

Re: 1948 Von Rudolph Custom Roadster [by Pack120c]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:12:26 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1948 Von Rudolph Custom Roadster
Yes, that's the same Carl Schneider. I spoke with him for a few minutes at dinner. A real gentleman.

Re: Henry's 55 Constellation [by cli55er]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:25:57 -0000

Project Blogs:: Henry's 55 Constellation
this is the second time i have tried to upload these 36 images and the thing just craps out on me...so i will add my text later.

Hank

Re: WTB - Carter WCFB carb cores from '55-56 [by Jack Vines]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:47:36 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: WTB - Carter WCFB carb cores from '55-56
Thanks for the photos. As shown on the top lettering, your carb is the Rochester 4GC.

thnx, jack vines

Re: Wanted - 1931 Headlamp Buckets and trim ring [by West Peterson]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:55:45 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Wanted - 1931 Headlamp Buckets and trim ring
D&D is very good, regularly doing chrome for cars headed to Pebble Beach. They are not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

Re: Chuck's 48 Deluxe Sedan [by Chuckltd]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:51:17 -0000

Project Blogs:: Chuck's 48 Deluxe Sedan
A cool score from a local parts hoarder! I also may be getting a set of new tires for $100. Blackwall only, but good enough for driving.

Re: Parts wanted and for sale [by scottie]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:38:24 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Parts wanted and for sale
DUH! Hubcap for my Cavalier. '51 through '54 should be OK. Just got up, guess I should wait for the ol' brain to finish re-booting before I get on the computer. Thank God my brain isn't manufactured by Toyota....

Re: Safe Method to Support Your Packard [by PackardV8]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:36:21 -0000

General:: Safe Method to Support Your Packard
I'd like to know how he got the truck up high enuf to get the poles under it. I'm guessing about 8 men lifted it up while another man set the poles under it.

Re: Peterson's 1940 Packard [by West Peterson]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:05:16 -0000

Project Blogs:: Peterson's 1940 Packard
As mentioned, one thing leads to another...
The backs of each front fender where they bolt to the front of the running board, were rusted, and there was no longer any connection.

So... while we were at it, we repaired the rusted flanges. Well, how much more work would it be to take out a couple of small dings in the hood and just go ahead and paint the whole front end?

Oh, and the paint on the cowl vent was peeling away, so we better paint that at the same time, and of course, all that's left is the grille surround.

I forgot about the headlights and parking lights. Since they need to come off the car in order to paint everything properly, and since they're such a pain to take off and put on, paint those too!!!

STOP!!!! The side mount covers will be done some other time, maybe when I get the rear fenders painted.

Re: 1956 Clipper Hot Rod [by AL]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:42:37 -0000

Project Blogs:: 1956 Clipper Hot Rod
I am not sure what I am going to do. For the time being, I think I am going to leave it alone. Where it is at now I only have the some chrome to put back on and the door handles. From there on it's the interior. Then to work on making sure it runs good enough to take to Gettysburg.

Re: lowering rear tl system [by Ross]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:58:20 -0000

Modification Discussion:: lowering rear tl system
Somehow I'm a little confused and want to save you a lot of work. You can make the height of the car anything you want just by shortening your adjustable front pins or making even shorter ones. It is just like cutting the heels off a pair of high heel shoes--the lady is going to stand closer to the ground. Then you adjust your leveler to whatever rake you like and you are done.

Shortening or lengthening the front pins changes the height of the WHOLE car. The leveler only changes the trim. I regularly change pins on customer's cars to achieve the desired ride height--usually beause the bars have sagged (particularly 56s) and the car is already sitting low.

Heads up: TL cars that are sitting low do not ride well. Many folks have told me they can hardly believe how much better their car drives after I've brought it back up to standard height. But as the Germans say "Schoenheit muss leiden"---beauty must be painful.

Re: Wade's Workshop [by Ozstatman]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:31:36 -0000

Project Blogs:: Wade's Workshop
Tuesday 9th March 2010

After picking up the resurfaced flywheel, rebuilt pressure plate and new clutch plate from Burt Bros left the flywheel and pressure plate with Graham Wilkins for inclusion in the balancing processes of the reciprocating components. Only trouble is Graham hasn't started on my 120 engine yet because he's snowed under with work. When he asked when did I want it, I enquired if the end of March was possible? From the look on his face, I didn't get much confidence from his "I'll try" response. But at least he has a timeframe to reference now. That done, off to the workshop for painting of the parts cleaned last week. And now off to see the granddaughters.

Does anyone have any circa 1941-1945 non-Clipper WWII Staff Car photos ? [by jmmfranklin]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:59:06 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Does anyone have any circa 1941-1945 non-Clipper WWII Staff Car photos ?
Does anyone have any circa 1941-1945 non-Clipper WWII Staff Car photos ?

JMM

Re: What is a good fan belt interchange for a 1927 236 8 cyl. [by jmmfranklin]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:56:26 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: What is a good fan belt interchange for a 1927 236 8 cyl.
The water pump casting on all the mid to late 20's cars is an eccentric so never an issue to get belt on and off - most people just never have the water pump off to notice. (car also has not had a belt on it in 50 years so no pattern). Do not want a linkbelt on the car if it can be avoided. My NAPA is pretty good and did not have a listing but maybe the guy did it wrong. If you have the numbers maybe I can approach that way ?

Re: Full-flow oil filter conversion for V-8 [by KevinAZ]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:50:15 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Full-flow oil filter conversion for V-8
I did however discover that I'm weeping a wee bit of oil from the full flow filter's return line connection. The line returns from the filter (see picture) carrying oil to the block near where the oil pressure switch is typically positioned. As seen, the orientation was very 'touch & go' back there. I've lost track of how many times that assembly had to be repositioned. (And then ultimately getting the distributor in there proved challenging too).

Anyway.......move forward progress again.

Re: 1930 Tensio-Meter? [by Randerson]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:50:47 -0000

General:: 1930 Tensio-Meter?
Any relation to Andy?

Re: Packards at Pomona? [by Guscha]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:50:08 -0000

Shows and Events:: Packards at Pomona?
Quote:

... i'm bringin tacos and cervezas ...

Kojak, I would like to eat cervezas with you but thanks to all the worldwide troublemakers we meanwhile need a biometric passport, have to pose in front of a body scanner and our first steps we make shoeless, without jacket, hat and belt. What a retrogression. In the early days of aviation one could ring for the room waiter and a six piece band including piano made music in the on-board restaurant...

The attached picture presumably shows the largest Packard driven vehicle, the USS Shenandoah.

[picture source: http://www.airships.net/us-navy-rigid-airships/uss-shenandoah]

Re: Kool Kojak 1951 Packard 200 Deluxe Touring Sedan Project Blog!!!!! [by koolkojak]

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:14:43 -0000

Project Blogs:: Kool Kojak 1951 Packard 200 Deluxe Touring Sedan Project Blog!!!!!
yeah so no ATF in the Ultramaitc, just plain old gear oil did the trick.

been rollin smooth around Holywoood.

i went to Pomona to find some '51 Cali plates... and the cheapest I found them was $450 .

seemed a bit steep to me.

Then a few gearheads suggested getin new plates AND PAINTING THEM the color scheme of the '51 plate , which is gold yellow with black alphanumerics..

so i think i'll be going vanity plate, and painting them. whats the big deal. i'll ask my buddy on the LAPD if a plate mutilation ticket is worth worrying about.

maybe orig plates might end up bein the cheaper option

$450???!?!?!?!!!

55 outer tie rod ends [by JT]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:40:19 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 55 outer tie rod ends
I have heard mention of using different PNs for outer tie rod ends. Does anybody have a part number that i could reference?
just looking for something i can match up at Napa or any other part store.

Re: Small "dog dish" wheel covers? [by JT]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:37:59 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Small "dog dish" wheel covers?
I am looking for four of theses in decent shape. They dont have to be mint. Dings and dents ok. Anybody?

Carter WCFB carb cores [by Jack Vines]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:58:44 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Carter WCFB carb cores
Anyone got any good core WCFBs you want to go to a good cause?

PM me with details, condition and asking price?

thnx, jack vines

Re: Dealer: Kansas City MO [by DRP]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:49:24 -0000

General:: Dealer: Kansas City MO
I checked the McGee location and this building was, in fact, replaced by Hallmark Cards headquarters.

I hope this doesn't discourage anyone from buying Hallmark cards.

Re: Swiss Packards [by Guscha]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46:23 -0000

General:: Swiss Packards
John, the Swiss seem to prefer red colored Packards.

This Swiss fire engine is equipped with an impressing multitone horn, an anormous trailer hitch and truck-like bar spacers on the fenders.
Everything is red - except the hexagons.

Re: The Easy Way to Install AC in Your Packard [by bkazmer]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:14:08 -0000

General:: The Easy Way to Install AC in Your Packard
If both the generator and AC were in a trunk on a trunk rack, could that be "installed in a workmanlike manner" for no deduction?

Re: 1937 PACKARD 115 SIX 6V TO 12V [by 1938 Club Coupe]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:23:49 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1937 PACKARD 115 SIX 6V TO 12V
I would take a good look at the battery,battery cables and grounds.If the battery checks out,try a voltage drop test at ground connections.Also six volt battery cables are larger,so make sure they are the proper gauge.Your car should be positive ground.Also-oil and grease can work its way between the starter and bellhousing resulting in slow cranking speed.
If your wanting to add a 12 volt accesorie,get a convertor.
I bought 5amp one on ebay for $70.00.t handles the radio and lighter for cell phone charging.(5 amps is not enough for a cig lighter)

Check Hemmings for the sealed beam kit,you may not need it when you find your trouble....
RT

P.S
6 volt positive ground alternators are available,I installed one on my 38.Much faster charging at idle.

Re: R11 rear yoke oil seal [by saltydog]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:16:59 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: R11 rear yoke oil seal
Sorry I ment seals.

Re: Keegan's 55 Clipper Deluxe [by Keegan]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:41:20 -0000

Project Blogs:: Keegan's 55 Clipper Deluxe
Working on the rot issues with the front door posts. This is the passenger side. By far the worst of the two needing repair.

Started with a paper template and cut a patch from some sheet. Got it tacked in a couple of places and just worked it into shape with some body hammers and some heat from the torch where necessary. It was easy to use clamps through the door hinge openings as well.

Hopefully you'll never notice it once the doors and fenders are back on. I still need to do some additional welding and blending but it's mostly there.

Re: '55 or '56 body style [by Randerson]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:52:30 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: '55 or '56 body style
The pic of the 55 Clipper at Warren really shows how nice the lines were, and what a great color combo too. It gives me much added appreciation for the 55s; I've been warming up to them more & more, as also with the 51-54s. The 55s had a good foundation to build on with their update, and corrected the biggest flaw, imho, the heavy handed 51-4 grille.

Re: 1956 Showroom Book [by Randerson]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:39:10 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 1956 Showroom Book
Yes, considering that each dealer had only one of perhaps two, they must be quite rare. Still, for us average schmos, it's a lot of money for what is a non-essential. Luckily sites like this one can provide the same information.

Re: 54 Caribbean tires [by JD in KC]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:36:32 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 54 Caribbean tires
The '55 RPO sheet is here.
The '56 RPO sheet is here.

From what I read it would appear that the oversize tires were an option (OT) for the Caribbean convertible in 1956 but were not an option (TTO) in 1955. Which doesn't answer your question about 1954.

Re: 1947 Super CLipper and 1947 Deluxe Parts Car for sale [by Ozstatman]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:32:43 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1947 Super CLipper and 1947 Deluxe Parts Car for sale
Paul,

That's a very impressive and comprehensive AD! Anybody buying these Packards, will certainly not be in any doubt as to what they are buying and getting. Pity not everyone selling a car does as you do. Good luck with the sale.

Re: 53 standard trans-V8 [by Ozstatman]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:25:31 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 53 standard trans-V8
This FAQ could help.

Re: 5587 Ultramatic Shift Linkage [by randy berger]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:03:06 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 5587 Ultramatic Shift Linkage
Ultramatic Dynamics sells a parking pawl for 55s which relieves most of the "PARK" problem. Not sure if he also makes a new pot-metal piece for the inner lever or not.

Re: Portlandon's 1955 400 [by portlandon]

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:00:00 -0000

Project Blogs:: Portlandon's 1955 400
Well, its been quite a little while since I have updated any progress, so armed with a new digital camera, and some spare time I shall do so.

I have been dismantling engine parts, having them tanked, and painting them over the long wet, cold winter. I have also parted out another complete 1955 Packard 400 this last fall and have been sorting out what I need for my own restoration and preparing to sell the rest.

I have also been organizing the garage and building storage shelves to get parts and misc. parts up off the ground so that I can actually work on the 400! After building the shelves, my wife realized how handy they were. She filled more than half with with over flow supplies from her 2nd grade classroom! So.....I got half of my shelves.

Enjoy the pics. I'm having fun learning about the new camera. My wife and I went to our friend's daughters 9 year old birthday party last week, and one of her presents was a 10 mega pixel camera. I leaned over to my wife and said "Honey, NOW can we get a new digital camera?" She completely agreed.

Re: Battery for 47 Clipper [by Owen_Dyneto]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:50:00 -0000

General:: Battery for 47 Clipper
If memory serves, the NAPA 7210 is the large battery for underseat application in the prewar Seniors. They have been very good batteries, I usually get 7-8 years service from them.

Re: Fog Light Bulb [by JW]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:23:51 -0000

General:: Fog Light Bulb
I ordered two clear lens 4511 bulbs from NAPA today. I'll let you know how they work.

(o{I}o)

Re: I just bought a 37 115 C [by JW]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:17:12 -0000

General:: I just bought a 37 115 C
Plus, the Motors and Chilton manuals have detail sections on generators, starters, carburetors, fuel pumps, etc. Their flat rate labor and parts manuals are good to have too, particularly for part information. The pre-war Packard shop manuals often instructed mechanics to see their supervisor for detailed information on a repair or operation.

(o{I}o)

Re: Frame crossover [by Rusty O\'Toole]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:28:30 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Frame crossover
One thing that comes up a lot is swapping engines, frames etc.

We all get the same thought when we first buy an old car. Gee it would be a lot easier if this thing had a late model drive train in it (true). So the thing to do is put a late model drive train in it (false).

The reason the second thought does not logically follow from the first, is that it is usually a lot harder and more expensive to change the drive train and chassis than to fix the one it has.

A beginner would not know this. A beginner who dives in and tears his car apart, is going to wind up with a wreck of a car and a lot of time and money wasted.

9 times out of 10, the car will never run again.

Re: Paint [by Randerson]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:27:00 -0000

General:: Paint
Any auto body repair business can tell you where they get their paint mixed, or look in the Yellow Pages under Auto Body Repair and the paint suppliers should be in there.

Re: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan [by BigKev]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:29:45 -0000

Project Blogs:: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan
Randy,

The bottom side of my lock ring is copper plated. But the top of it had all the plating worn off.

Re: 55-56 Defroster Ducts [by Owen_Dyneto]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:47:03 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: 55-56 Defroster Ducts
My paper elbows were not too bad but frayed at the edges. I slid them over a wax papered wooden form and just reinforced the ends with a mixture of yellow carptenter's glue and sawdust.

Re: wood patterns 526 [by Ozstatman]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:24:14 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: wood patterns 526
On PACA's run to the Vintage Motor Garage yesterday one of the vehicles undergoing restoration in the workshop is a '26 333 Holbrook aluminium bodied Limo. It had been cut down into a Ute(pickup) many many years ago and all that was left of the body was the radiator shell, bonnet(hood), scuttle(cowl), front pillars and doors(aluminium skinned) and some of the woodwork. The owner was able to find a divider window seat back panel which is being incorporated into the body. He also managed to obtain a dimensioned drawing for the body, as well as some pictures of a similar car now restored. That's all the restorer has to work with but he's doing a good job with what he's got to work with.

Re: DO NOT TRUST BTV [by Craig]

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:41:15 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: DO NOT TRUST BTV
BH wrote: Quote:

Those who hate the BTV can do as they please with their own cars, but they shouldn't expect those of us who have worked on the system with our own two hands and understand it inside and out to jump on their bandwagon.

Brian,

I don't hate the BTV. I just think that it is a fatal accident waiting to happen, as I have stated many times in the past.

If you think that you "understand it inside and out" better than four different professional restorers across the USA (i.e., those in my experience), then, IMO, you are whistling past that particular graveyard.

Craig

Re: Packard V8 engine mounts. [by PackardV8]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:02:07 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Packard V8 engine mounts.
Many thanks 56 Executive for the measurement.

BTW, i will have to edit my above post about removeing oil pan withOUT removeing the bell housing half.
As it turns out i have a 2wo piece oil pan and had removed the oil pump before removeing the pan. BUT ,the Olds pump sets mush closer to the rear of the pan than OEM pump so MAYBE it is possible to remove pan without removing bellhousing IF OEm pump is used. Don't know. never tried it with OEM pump.

Re: FOR SALE: 1941 Packard One Twenty 1495 Club Coupe, Series 1901 [by scottie]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:38:16 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: FOR SALE: 1941 Packard One Twenty 1495 Club Coupe, Series 1901
WOW! What a beauty! Whatever reason you have for selling her, I hope that you can come up with a different solution. I'm very envious of your car. I'm glad mine can't read, she would be jealous!

Re: ZIS waterfall [by hardtop]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:26:02 -0000

ZIS, ZIL, and other Packard Cousins!:: ZIS waterfall
Guscha is right on the USSR plastic, I mean the plastic details and knobs from the 1940s-1960s are thous things that get destroyed at the first place. The problem is that the engineers at that time thought that using vinegar acid(one of the components!) is a good thing and it was cheap and available at that time. If the plastic details decay they leave a funny odor in to the interiore.
The wheels cover starts to crack and the plastic kind of starts to bend between the metal wheel. It seems that the cause to the hole process is UV light and humidity. The ZIS plastic material for the wheel and other items is also used on ZIM,Pobeda, GAZ 21 Volga and also Moskvich cars from the 50s and 60s.

I can only tell that what I have seen and heard from experts, here where I am.

I havent seen any NOS plastic parts exept wheels for Volga,ZIM and Pobeda cars bun no ZIS wheels ore plastic details. Im not sure they made plastic things for ZIS cars as spare parts at that time? Any comments guys,on this one?

And Welcome Jerry to the forum,

Steve

posting name change [by Randerson]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:28:08 -0000

General:: posting name change
So folks know who's who, I've changed my posting name on here, since I've sold my 58 DeSoto: from "Firedome" to "RAnderson". I've found this website to be very helpful, thanks to those who participate, and hope to return the favor... thanks all, Roger Anderson in NY

1953 288 cid for sale [by jreeder41]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:49:27 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1953 288 cid for sale
I have a 53 288 w/ head and attaching parts that I am not going to use. The engine turns over by hand, but I have no idea on mileage. $300 obo. I can truck freight from our shop.

Re: PACA Run to VMG Central Mangrove 6th March 2010 [by Ozstatman]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:09:00 -0000

Shows and Events:: PACA Run to VMG Central Mangrove 6th March 2010
John,

Sorry to hear about Annet, please pass on to her our best wishes for a speedy recovery.

You missed the BBQ lunch with Harvey on the Grill, Wendy organising the rest of the spread and everybody enjoying the day. I'm preparing an article for inclusion in The Packardian, watch your letterbox!

Re: identify 1926 packard [by BigKev]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:29:50 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: identify 1926 packard
You engine is for sure a 1927 426-433 Six Engine.

I would have expected the '283' to be a body number. But that doesn't match with any records I have as a valid body number for any year. But something in the back of my mind says that those early models may have had a different schema as far as that is concerned.

Is your car a 1927 model that was perhaps first registered in 1926? Or perhaps the engine has been replaced at some point with one from a '27.

Do you have any pictures of the car?

Re: Newest Articles [by BigKev]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:12:45 -0000

General:: Newest Articles
Now Online!

1941 - 1953 Packard Flat Rate Manual

Thanks to Brian (BH) for the donation of this material!

Re: driving law [by BigKev]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:35:57 -0000

General:: driving law
Two words..... Urban Sprawl.

It's what happens when they build 50,000 new houses in the suburbs and never build new highways or improve the existing ones.

Re: Work On the 1953 Derham Formal [by 58L8134]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:15:48 -0000

Project Blogs:: Work On the 1953 Derham Formal
Hi Stephen

Occasionally, in the late '60's - early '70's, my family had reason to go to the Buffalo Airport. We always took Transit Road at Spring Brook coming from East Aurora.

Being interested in cars, I checked out all the garages and used car lots along the way. I recall seeing a '53 Patrician with the Derham padded top at one of those garages then. I don't recall it's color, seems if was either black or gray.

No way to tell if it's your car I saw then, I hope so, nice to know at least one of the interesting cars I saw back in those days survives.

Steve

Re: Does anyone have any circa 1941-1945 non-Clipper WWII Staff Car photos [by BigKev]

Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:57:19 -0000

General:: Does anyone have any circa 1941-1945 non-Clipper WWII Staff Car photos
John, I removed the duplicate posts to help keep things neat and tidy. You will find that most people here read all the forums, so no need to post multiple times. Plus it makes things hard to read later when responses are scattered across multiple threads.

Thanks,

Re: oil bath air filter material [by JW]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:28:02 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: oil bath air filter material
Quote:

clipper47 wrote:
John, Thanks for this. I was going to ask about replacing the oil bath with a paper filter but you beat me to it. The only question I have is did you have to cut or remove the oil filter section holding the kapok in the top portion of the filter housing or does the filter fit over without modification? I can't see how that could come off without grinding or cutting unless I am missing something. If need be I do have a spare oil bath set up from my parts car which I guess I could cut up but I really would hate to. Also thanks for the update on the cooling system rebuild.

Dave, the pleated paper element replaces the part that has the Kapoc material. No cutting, bending, or drilling. Just lift out the old part, clean out the oil, and install the new type filter. Stock looking from the outside, modern in the inside. More efficient filtering, less air resistance, and easier to maintain. What's not to like? I kept my old filter part, wrapped it in a plastic bag and put it with accumulating spare parts.

(o {I} o)

Re: ZIS 110 [by Owen_Dyneto]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:49:53 -0000

ZIS, ZIL, and other Packard Cousins!:: ZIS 110
Thanks for the nice words, for setting the record straight about the speaker grilles, and for so many other ZIS details and contributions.

Re: connecting rod applications [by BigKev]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:29:33 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: connecting rod applications
This may be a case where a picture is worth a thousand words!

Re: Shipping C.K.D Packards to South Africa [by meaarch]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:23:47 -0000

General:: Shipping C.K.D Packards to South Africa
Hi Barrie

Yup I'd be interested in a photo of your dash plaque.

Some folk seem to think the Steele Rubber rubbers made to fit over (?) the steel core are okay fixed into place without the core (?)

You seem to think omit it altogether - if can get the dims.and rough shape from you I think I would like to go the route of fitting it as designed - we get an awful lot of water over here in the UK !!

You can Email me direct or via the site or pm me - mea@bigfastweb.net

Best regards Michael

Re: Don's 1937 1095 120C Sport Coupe Project [by Ozstatman]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:12:03 -0000

Project Blogs:: Don's 1937 1095 120C Sport Coupe Project
Don,
Don't be sorry for technical glitches beyond your control. My for the info on the Coupe that came to Oz. May be helpful if someone here in PACA now owns the car and wants to trace its history and ownership.

Re: Original Delco battery 55-56 Packards (neat ebay item!) [by BigKev]

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:27:46 -0000

General:: Lastest Packard Items on eBay
"This way to the Great Egress"

Well probably not the saying you were thinking of....but is my favorite P.T. Barnum related line.

Re: Packard drivetrain concepts (II): the Diesel engine [by mikec]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:03:36 -0000

General:: Packard drivetrain concepts (II): the Diesel engine
39super8 i was actually going to ask for the specifics that you pointed out. This is a really interesting thread for me as both a loyal Packard guy and Cummins guy.

Re: 29 626 carb problem [by Jim Eubanks]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:48:24 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 29 626 carb problem
Stripped carb down again this afternoon and found nothing wrong. All jets and passages clear, even pulled the little line on the back of the carb off and blew it out. After all I have done, have decided problem has to be in the air valve hanging open somehow. Noticed the light spring could get off to one side. Will pull air valve cover and get son to drive a chase vehicle and run it hard to see if we can cause it to die out again. Then check those air valve springs. Since car idles fine, runs fine normally, it has to be a fluke and that carb is so simple......... I have had Model T carbs give more trouble.

Re: 1928 something...., [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:37:40 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 1928 something....,
Ray,
for including your '28 526 Six Sedan in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Re: Off topic--I'll be appearing on "A Prairie Home Companion" tomorrow [by Pack120c]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:03:59 -0000

General:: Off topic--I'll be appearing on "A Prairie Home Companion" tomorrow
John,

Thanks for playing the Faygo jingle. That really took me back. Must be a Detroit thing. Let me know if you're ever playing in the Chicago area.

Dezi

Re: Packard Six Sedan 1926 [by Owen_Dyneto]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:49:14 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: Packard Six Sedan 5-26
Do you know what model it is?

How about the numbers off the patent plate on the cowl, the motor number, and the wheelbase? They should clinch the identification.

Re: 1936_120b engine and drive train [by taxman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:47:25 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: 1936_120b engine and drive train
Sold

Re: Hot Rod Options [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:30:52 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Hot Rod Options
Quote:

mikec wrote: theres a bunch of videos on youtube of a hotrod powered by a supercharged Packard Straight 8. In fact i think the builder is a member here. It is really badass!

Quote:

Jack Vines wrote: Also was the feature/cover car in Hot Rod Magazine a couple of months ago. I saw it at Bonneville Speed Week and it is maybe my all-time favorite rat rod. thnx, jack vines

guys, and here it is - Blown Packard Inline 8

Re: New Packard Concept Introduced in Geneva [by JHH]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:39:56 -0000

General:: New Packard Concept Introduced in Geneva
Friends

In the words of Pininn Farina " Prewar cars are greyhounds, postwar cars are bulldogs"

Regards

John Harley

Connecting rod casting numbers [by babbitt]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:02:54 -0000

General:: Connecting rod casting numbers
I'm new to the Packard Nation and having trouble with identifying engine application by the connecting rods that I have. The numbers are as follows:
1. 219686 � 9 1 A
2. 221639 - 4 D
3. 186646
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Carburettors on 1948 22nd Series Export Six Touring Sedan [by packardtaximan]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:39:16 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Carburettors on 1948 22nd Series Export Six Touring Sedan
The starter switch on Packard carburetors has a ball and plunger in side the switch. The plunger has a cutout on the end where the ball is located. If this cutout or notch is not installed in the correct position the starter will engage when the accelerator pedal is floorboarded. To correct this problem take the plunger out and turn 180 degrees and reinstall and the problem should be fixed.

Re: tempurature gauge 1940 110 packard [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:57:28 -0000

General:: tempurature gauge 1940 110 packard
Quote:

msmith wrote: Hello. How do you test a temp gauge .I have a 1940 110 business coupe. The gauge registers nothing. Thanks

G'day msmith,
to PackardInfo.

Regarding your gauge, it is a "mechanical" type gauge and as such relies on the heat of the engines coolant to operate by means of a tube fitted to the left rear of the cylinder head of your '40. If the connection is sound then it should work, however if the gas or fluid within the cylinder head fitting and the tube has leaked it will not. My thought on testing would be to disconnect the cylinder head fitting(carefully as they are delicate) and immerse the bulb at the end of the tube in a container of boiled water. There are rebuilding services available for these gauges/tubes/fittings and others closer to the action may have names/details of these. I'll also leave it to the acknowledged experts for more detailed info/analysis of your problem.

And a request, could you please include your '40 110 Business Coupe in the Packard Owner's Registry here, together with a pic, any known history and how you acquired it?

And a further request, if you are agreeable, BigKev our Webmaster could move your post to the Pre-War Forum, making it a more suitable home for your post?

Re: ultramatic warm up [by mikec]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:47:01 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: ultramatic warm up
thanks HH56! exactly what i needed to know!

Re: Owner Registry - Time to get on board! [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:45:49 -0000

General:: Owner Registry - Time to get on board!
There are now 590, Packards in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Also there are 2032 Forum members.
A BIG to all those who added their Packard/s to the Registry.

And if you haven't yet added your Packard/s to the Registry - It's easy, just follow the steps set out in this FAQ - Add your Packard to the Owner Registry

Re: Recent additions to the Owner Registry [by Ozstatman]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:41:21 -0000

General:: Recent additions to the Owner Registry
and to will_miller, for including his '49 Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan in the Packard Owner's Registry.

And and to Borne, for including his '40 One-Ten Convertible Coupe in the Packard Owner's Registry. For those that might be interested in parts from this car, this is from the Vehicle History - "Found in a garage stripped,and apart.Body is in bad shape [rust holes] have one side repaired. Engine and drive line was all restored by last owner. Plan to street rod this car any one interested in parts send e-mail."

Willard Morrison [by JT120]

Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:29:02 -0000

General:: Willard Morrison
Mr Morrison was quite an inventor and when GM needed to acquire a patent due to a legal matter in 1953 they went to Willard Morrison who held the needed patent and car with design. They offered him any new car he wanted in trade for his "bug" and guess what it was?
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/06/07/sia-flashback-mr-morrisons-mellow-machine/

His son carried on the inventing tradition:
http://alum.mit.edu/news/AlumniProfiles/Archive/Willard_Morrison_-2740

Re: Fuel Pump Rebuild-Help [by clipper47]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:57:20 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Fuel Pump Rebuild-Help
Dave, Thanks for all your advice. I wrote to "Mike" at Then and Now Automotive who has been most helpful. He explained that on occasion he has had to remove the diaphragm from the pull rod in order to get the rod off the rocker arm. I had suggested that I might have to do this in order to get a sufficient angle on the pull rod once the oil seal is removed. I have since noticed that I could see the pull rod by looking down underneath the rocker arm. I pushed a long thin screwdriver down under the rocker arm until it rested on the pull rod. I compressed the pull rod/diaphragm spring and pushed on the pull rod with the screwdriver and VOILA out it came! I should do a little pictorial FAQ on this in case anyone else has the same problem. I don't know why I wanted to save the old diaphragm but I hate destroying parts.

Re: modern oil seals, which way to put in?? [by cli55er]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:55:26 -0000

General:: modern oil seals, which way to put in??
thanks for the info...that was what my gut feeling was. i deleted the middle seal pic.

Re: Carrera PanAmerica Packard on eBay [by Guscha]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:36:43 -0000

For Sale, Wanted, Trade:: Carrera PanAmerica Packard on eBay
Mal, you're right. I will have to give Mr. Getty a good talking to.

29 636 5ps sedan door latch levers [by Jim Eubanks]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:30:13 -0000

Pre-War (1899-1942):: 29 636 5ps sedan door latch levers
I need to remove door latch knobs in order to remove wood garnish moldings for refinish. They appear to be a sort of plated pot metal with a metal cup on the bottom. I can see some deteriation of one or two and do not want to damage them. How are they removed, drive metal cup down on lever, un screw?

Re: Routing for Power Steering lines 5587 [by randy berger]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:44:11 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Routing for Power Steering lines 5587
Look at Plate 31D in your parts book. The hoses go on either side of the Temp sender bracket and are supported by rubber-coated J hooks. There is also an aluminium strap clamp about halfway between the air duct clamp and the temp sending unit clamps - part 416293 (ref 15.858)

Re: NAPA part #'s for the 3 brake hoses on a '55 400 [by Owen_Dyneto]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:07:37 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: NAPA part #'s for the 3 brake hoses on a '55 400
If it's of any help to you, my 1962 Wagner catalog lists the following for a 1955 senior:

FC8699 for rear
FC20251 for front

Re: 1936 Junior 120B [by taxman]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:59:17 -0000

Project Blogs:: 1936 Junior 120B
I just posted my 120b (1936) straight 8 plus tranny and rear diff for sale in classifieds. I've decided to go a different route on the drive train, namely Ford. Came across a low miles Ford 240 in line 6 (1965) with 4 speed tranny and rear axle 3.25. Some of my friends are now calling my project, a "Packford" (get it?). Anyway have already overhauled the Ford 6 cylinder during the winter and getting ready to weld new mounts and install the engine and tranny in about a month. This 1965 in-Line 6 came from a State of Kentucky F100 Ford truck and appears very promising for suitable drivetrain, less maintenance and future reliability. This 240 engine had gear drive and is historically known to go up to 300K miles. Because it was so reliable and successful, Ford changed the design and went to a 300 version. With extra space in the front (in the 6 cylinder versus 8), I will install 14 inch electric fan and maybe go new aluminum radiator. Also converting everything to 12 volt. I guess I am now in the modification class.

Re: 1949 23rd series starting/starter questions [by Ozstatman]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:48:18 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: 1949 23rd series starting/starter questions
4923rdest1976 for including your '49 Eight Touring Sedan in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Re: Water Distribution Tube [by Ozstatman]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:39:47 -0000

General:: Water Distribution Tube
Fits the 356 per the '35-41 Parts List and from the 51-54 Parts List here on PackardInfo fits - 2201-02-06-11-13-22-26-32-33; ALL 23RD; 24TH; 25TH; 26TH; 54TH

Re: Worth [by Rusty O\'Toole]

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:39:17 -0000

General:: Worth
Old Cars Price Guide says $2280 to $11700 depending on model and condition, mainly condition.

The high price would be for one that is good enough to win a local car show, the low price one that is compete and runs but needs work. Most cars will fall on the low side.

Re: Caribbean 2X4 Air Cleaner current value? [by Craig]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:36:16 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Caribbean 2X4 Air Cleaner current value?
OK, not original "bat wing" air cleaner, but if one had a Caribbean 2x4 intake, one could use air cleaners like this:

Re: Can old brands be revived? [by LINC400]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:16:01 -0000

General:: Can old brands be revived?
There is no easy answer to this. Avanti, Challenger, Camaro, VW Beetle, and Mini Cooper have all been revived, and quite successfully. That is because these were very distinctive cars that were "modernized" into the current version while trying to remain close to the original vehicle. They also have the support, financial, and dealer backing of a large manufacturer (except Avanti).

Then there are things like the new Bugatti. I feel that this car has absolutely zero to do with Bugatti. They could have slapped any name on it. Maybach has nothing to do with the ones of the past also. It is just a big Mercedes.

Packard is a different story. The last true year was 1956. This is far less contemporary than any of the current modernized versions. Chrome, fins, and 1950's glitz do not translate well into modern car designs. If you are not using 1956 as your base, then what year are you going to use? All the ones in the first paragraph are based on the original version. What is the original Packard? 1899? Not practical or desireable. So everyone picks a year, or couple years, and translates their own modern version of it. Or they simply slap a few Packard design cues on a car that otherwise looks nothing like a Packard. Ending up with a design that few like besides they guy that created it.

Then without support from a major manufacturer, these unfavorable ideas have little chance of getting off the ground.

Re: Packard in Top Eight [by fatmike]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:02:45 -0000

Modification Discussion:: Packard in Top Eight
Hands down its one of the best looking Packard based hotrods I've seen. But I just can't be a fan of the headlights or the June bug paint. Yuck. The twin six is beautiful though. I tried to zoom in on the carbs, Rochesters I think, but they distort due to the Chrome. Nice ride.

Re: Location of Battery ground connection? [by Tobs]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:28:14 -0000

Post-War (1946-54):: Location of Battery ground connection?
Thanks guys. Since the waterpump is high on my list of repairs to get ready for this spring, the pump and ground strap will get done at the same time...
I also found a picture in the Air Conditioning section of the shop manual that showed the ground strap going to the waterpump!

Re: color production data [by Randerson]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:45:10 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: color production data
In the Registry here there is an all Turquoise Clipper Deluxe in Holland, I believe it was, that looks quite original and is a runner. No white top 2 tone though.

Re: Carpet Installation for 5587 [by AL]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:53:43 -0000

V-8 (1955-56):: Carpet Installation for 5587
Kevin

Let me know how that installation works out for you. I too have a carpet set from Kanters, AND IT DON'T FIT. I cannot return it as I personally did not purchase it myself. The carpet I have is at least 4 inches short side to side.

Al

fire engines [by Guscha]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:52:06 -0000

General:: fire engines
Much as this b&w photograph shows (click to enlarge), I wish it showed more. Usually a fire engine is red but how about the color of this 1923 fire truck? Brian (BH), do you think it has the same dark shade of fire engine red as your dad's '75 Impala?

Special thanks to the webmaster of the New Hampton Fire Department for allowing us to redisplay a photo of their 1923 fire truck here on the website.

[picture source: http://www.newhamptonfire.com/History.htm]

Re: The Packard Firsts List [by John Clements]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:42:06 -0000

General:: The Packard Firsts List
Indeed it is I should imagine. How does the lowering affect the torsion-Level suspension?

Re: disc brake conversions [by JT]

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:00:25 -0000

Modification Discussion:: disc brake conversions
What is the difference between the basic and premium? Also, what will this setup cost me, to the door? Thanks.