Re: '55 Patrician with Carter Carb, Houston TX
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HH56: Yes, the power windows work with the key off, as does the power seat, and the TL system with a manual 3-way switch that PO installed.
I have not spent much time looking into the TL system except to replace the brake switch with the 3-prong cross reference from this site. I think I would like to find a 55-56 wiper motor so I can use the washer feature. I'll put that on my list... My first efforts are to get the engine runnings smoothly and brakes so that I can drive it around more. I have lots more questions about the car, but probably off topic from the original post so I'll start some new ones. I'll stick with the existing Carter carb for now; don't see a reason to change it but maybe adjust it best I can and eventually rebuild it (once I figure out what version of WCFB it is) after I Also need to get Autolite generator working with Delco regulator, replace oil and temp senders (no gauge indication), then dig into this TL thing and see what is what...... thank you.
Posted on: 2016/5/1 18:40
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Re: '55 Patrician with Carter Carb, Houston TX
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Great info. thank you. Here are a few more clarification pictures of wiper motor and TL solenoids. The car did come with the washer bottle, but it wasnt hooked up. From one I read I would need a compensator to attach to wiper motor.
TL solenoids seem to be missing a fuse, so I'll rectify that and see what happens. Vac plumbing is screwy. Line from left side manifold goes around carb to other side for auto choke. Line from front of carb goes around to vac advance on distributor. I understand your description of line from back of carb that goes to brake unit and to vac reservoir. I'd like to try to get it a little less messy so maybe I'll rebuild the fuel/vac pump as you sugggest to clean it up. thank you!
Posted on: 2016/4/28 11:02
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Re: '55 Patrician with Carter Carb, Houston TX
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After cleaning up the front of the block a bit, the serial number is 5587-2436. The chart says that is a 352 from a 400 Hardtop.... There is evidence of red overspray on the hoses so it looks like it was painted red in fairly recent times. Here are a few more pics of the engine compartment . Also, there is a pic of what I think is that double action fuel pump that was also a vac pump, but it this case it's not being used for vacuum. The only vacuum comes from the front and back of the carb.
Posted on: 2016/4/26 22:53
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I wish you guys lived in Houston...
JW: The ballast resistor is there, it is just out of the camera frame in the location shown in the photo HH56 posted. That thing gets hot... HH56: I can post better pics tonight but the vacuum setup is screwy. The large vaccum hose coming from the back of the carb goes to the Treadle Vac unit and then to the vacuum reservoir inside the driver's side fender area. There is a smaller diam metal tube that T's off where this hose connects to carb, which you can see in the picture, that goes to that rubber hose that unnaturally curves up to the wiper motor. The car does have the glass jar for the washer fluid. The tube on the lower left of the picture I posted seems like it should be that vac tube from the vac pump in the oil pan. But there is no vacuum coming from it. The fuel pump is not the one I was expecting based on pictures and has another part to it with a tube connecting the inlet and outlet. I am assuming this is the double action fuel/ vacuum pump as you mentioned but the vac section is not doing anything. A havent got smart enough yet on the TL to know how to answer your question about compensator, limit switch etc. I'll post more pics, engine info later. thank you for your help so far.
Posted on: 2016/4/26 11:44
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thanks, I will go home tonight and check for those numbers. The casting number on the rear of the engine near the distributor is 440275-A. That same chart you referenced says it is a 352. I'll post the numbers you mentioned tonight. thx
Posted on: 2016/4/26 8:45
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'55 Patrician with Carter Carb, Houston TX
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So I have this '55 which is new to me. It has a 352 which seems to be original (dont know hot to tell). All the literature says it should have a Rochester carb, but it has a Carter WCFB (can't find the model number but air horn has 6-889 stamp). it seems to run okay, idles speed seems to change with transmission position and the vacuum line runs are 'clunky.'. I'm about to adjust the linkages as per the manual.
My question is: does anyone else have such a combo? Seems odd that someone would replace the Rochester carb with the Carter but over 60 years who knows what went on. I assume there are some performance benefits of the Rochester otherwise they wouldnt have had this on the 'upgrade' from the Clipper series. Also, I'm still learning this car and it would be nice to see another. Are there any 55 or 56 Patricians in the Houston area? I live Southeast of town and it would be great to be able to compare one in good shape with mine to figure out what is what. thank you, Bob
Posted on: 2016/4/25 22:46
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Re: Vacuum line hookup '55 Bendix Treadle
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Thank you both for the great info. I guess since I sent Kanter a unit with 2 ports, they sent me one in return. I understand now how to set it up.
The car was barely braking when I bought it. THe hydraulic side was full of brake fluid turned to gel and my guess is that the vacuum side was shot as well (pedal would go almost to the floor before any braking action). So I would expect the vacuum side was pulling in outside air affecting engine performance and plugging breather side was the way to keep engine running well but ignoring braking problems . I've only had the car a month or so and I'm still have a lot to learn. Thanks to you guys I know I'll be able to figure it out. thx Bob
Posted on: 2016/4/17 8:52
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Vacuum line hookup '55 Bendix Treadle
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I got a rebuilt Bendix Treadle power brake unit from Kanter and about to install it. my question is about how to connect to vacuum system. There are two vacuum ports on the unit. When I removed the old one, one had a short rubber hose that was sealed with a bolt and a clamp. The other had a hose that tee-d into a vacuum line. The bolt line can't be correct, so are the two lines so the brake unit is in series with other vacuum connections (i.e an "in' and an "out")? Or is one of these supposed to be atmospheric and the other to vacuum system (and if so, which is which)? I've look through these forums as well as googling around and have not been able to find the answer on my own.
thank you, Bob
Posted on: 2016/4/16 15:40
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Re: '55 Power Brake rod thru floor board grommet
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Could be. It was all loose when i removed the brake unit, so maybe its supposed to go around the carpet.
Posted on: 2016/4/1 15:38
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