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Re: Wanted to say hello
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Believe me, not knocking RR or Jaguar. Lovely cars. Both --but particularly RR-- awfully complex in the electrics and maybe some of the reason the reputation existed. You didn't hear of that many issues though compared to Jaguar but they were there according to a friend who used to be service manager at the local RR agency or outlet. Have a lot of service articles he gave me detailing some of the more interesting features.

Will be interesting to see the future changes. BMW has already been manufacturing for awhile on a few models and incorporating some of the 7 series features in the new cars--although the styling with the tiny headlights and huge grill does take a bit of getting used to. Ford revamped Jaguar to the point of pretty good and now will be waiting to see what the company out of India will do.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 20:55
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Re: Wanted to say hello
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Kind of makes you wonder how RR and Jaguar and a few others managed to keep going for so long. Lucas electrics alone should have done them in. There must be something to that saying the British are made of sterner stuff. Would have to be to put up with all the breakdowns and keep going back for more.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 20:18
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Re: Wanted to say hello
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Somehow in 23 cars I missed owing a British car but it probably was intentional.

At one time Kanter had a bumper sticker he would send out.


"All parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture"

Posted on: 2010/4/23 20:01
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Re: Wire Identification
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Posted on: 2010/4/23 19:54
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Re: Wire Identification
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Mine has 3 wires coming off there. Grn for the temp sender, pink for the coil and blue for the oil sender. Any chance the flex lead to the outside dist terminal got shorted or opened.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 19:10
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Re: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan
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Kev, will leave to a carb expert for the absolute answer and maybe a better way to adjust but to my mind, using the procedure given if there is nothing obstructing a fairly straight shot you could go to hobby store and pick up a piece of .020 straight music wire about a foot long. Maybe a slight bend or two if not a straight shot but stick it down the top and make the adjustment. Think that would work the same except the wire would be on top instead of bottom.

A #76 drill bit could also be used if securely attached to something but would be afraid it would loosen and drop and probably be hard to find--both in manifold if dropped and in store to buy--although good hobby store might have as well as lots of those small sizes are used in model airplane work.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 16:31
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Re: Headliner installation on '53 Packard
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Doubtful the wires are incorrect otherwise it shouldn't work at all and just blow fuse or engine would die. There are schematics in the manual and a pictoral wire layout in the first book mentioned below if there is any doubt however.

If the hold in coil is staying energized, there are a few possibilities. One is the contacts have welded, second is there is something broken inside and third, something is jamming pawl so it is not entering far enough into OD case to activate them. To check, the solenoid will have to be removed for access.

There is an overdrive manual that is appropriate for your car
http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/BW_OD.pdf which gives instructions on how to remove solenoid--as do the service manuals. Unfortunately there is not much detail on the solenoid itself.

An earlier version manual of an R9 OD & solenoid which is similar in internals configuration solenoid has some good pictures of the solenoid parts including the contacts. Note however, yours being a two wire solenoid is somewhat simpler and only has the groundout and the pull in set--no indicator light.http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/html/downloads/TransmissionAndOverdriveTrainingManual.pdf

To test, remove the solenoid. I have had luck carefully inserting in a vise to hold things--try on an ear but be careful not to bend or break anything. A vise is also convenient for holding the wire used to ground the case. If you have an ohm meter, verify the terminals, One lead to case and believe the terminal close to case end and far from plunger is the kickdown and should be open and other should show a short to case. If your meter is sensitive enough, then by keeping it connected to the shorted one pull the plunger out all the way (It will be hard as there is a large spring) and there should be a change in resistance. It will be very slight probably so your meter may not pick it up. If not, using a heavy wire, ground case and touch battery to the shorted terminal which I think is closest to plunger and plunger should snap out. Here's where it gets tricky without good equipment and having done it a few times but if the pull in coil is still active when you remove the wire from the terminal, there will be a spark--probably fairly heavy. The case will also be fairly warm if on for more than a 20-30 seconds. If the pull in coil was disconnected properly by the contacts then the spark will be a lot smaller and case will still be fairly cool. Not sure of any other way to test without having a fairly high amperage meter to measure current or substituting a known good solenoid.

If it appears to be working properly, then look to insertion depth or engagement problems. If the coil is staying on, then remove the back of the solenoid (completely remove the terminal screws as well to pull cover off) and check the internal parts.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 16:02
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Re: BigKev's 1954 Packard Clipper Deluxe Sedan
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Is your "tee" fitting off the shelf or Packard? If Packard, it may already have a restriction. There is usually one opening on one end or middle depending on model about 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the others if restricted.

If memory serves, the filters have a few small holes in the pipe that feeds from the bottom opening to the center of filter and that should provide a restriction. With it plumbed the other way around, more surface area on the filter is available so theoretically more flow. You still have to go out those same small holes however, so also in theory should provide the same restriction. As long as you have good pressure and solid lifters, IMHO nothing more needs to be done although there is the question about the holes being there.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 13:39
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Re: Now THIS is a new Packard "wrinkle"!
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I've seen worse. Aside from a mixing of flat angular married to round styles which kind of grates, someone did do a lot of work.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 9:52
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Re: Headliner installation on '53 Packard
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I'd verify the OD solenoid is actually dropping out the "pull in" coil when engaged. There are two coils in solenoid in parallel and a set of contacts inside the solenoid that should open to drop out the heavy or "pull in" coil when pawl fully in position which just leaves the "hold" coil operating. It sounds as if "pull in" is still active and drawing lots of current. If it is and not corrected, you will be replacing the solenoid soon.

Posted on: 2010/4/23 9:43
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