Don,

So they thread on? I haven't gotten that far with mine yet.

Ok, so the bumper was new for '37 and the vents are Twelve, so it is a '37 Twelve. I think there are 3 wheelbases for Twelves 132,139 and 144" Anyway to tell which it is?

Is the round running board light in the rear fender unique to Twelves?

Anyway to tell if it is a limo vs a touring car?

Ken P.

Well we made it back. Washington was pretty closed.

Coeur d'Alene was wide open. We went trout fishing in the CDA river, caught about 10, 3 16" or more. Had a boat ride on the lake, missed Hudson's.

Checked out Flathead, hard to miss. Glacier was only open to the Lodge so that was weak. Lots of places were not open.

Had dinner in Whitefish with the Great Grandson of the '37 Packard I posted.

Thanks for all the advice, helped to know what to look for.

Bill

There is an interesting story accompanying this candid photo of Mr. and Mrs. Richard Moyle Sr. Moyle was the Principal behind the Marquette Cement Company in Oglesby, Il. We had dinner with his Great Grandson in Whitefish, Montana this week and he remembered hearing about the car.

In June of 1949 the Moyles boarded the Queen Mary on a trip to Mr. Moyle's childhood home in Cornwall England to celebrate their 55th wedding anniversary and brought this car along with Nephew Albert Moyle to be their chauffeur.

They listed it as a limousine, but I can't see the divider. It is definitely earlier than '38 due to the single windshield. The plate is from '37 and it looks to be a 5 or 7(most likely?) Touring Sedan, either a Super 8 or Twelve.

Can any keener, more knowledgeable eyes comment?

Any ownership records exist?

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We are leaving tomorrow for Spokane, Coeur d'Alene and White fish Montana.
Is there anything we should do out there?

I loaded up the 2 blocks I am working on and delivered them to the machine shop.

The Twelve I am just getting cleaned so I can give it a through inspection. My one main with the divot has been poured and machined and is on the way. Mailed today

In case you are wondering the straight eight is a '33 Pierce that needs a sleeve in #3 due to excessive pitting.

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Tim,

I had a great temptation to just get out the sledge hammer and have a few whacks at it. I decided the drilling of smaller holes was more controllable and I was less likely to gouge the cylinder walls. In the year+ that I fooled with it, I had a lot of ideas, some good, some not so good.

Bill

Just got word that the one main bearing which had a divot out of it is done and will be shipping Monday. I was able to get all of the head studs out and I am taking the engine to a shop owned by a co worker's brother to be cleaned and fluxed. He has a Rottler boring machine should I need it.

Only major issue at the moment is the repair of the front water pump housing. Have started MIG/TIG repairs.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

What I am trying to do is trace back to someone that might have worked on my car in the 70's or 80's and Charlie was in that area.

When I got my car I was told it was owned by someone in the LA area that specialized in Packard Twelves.

The last owner I can trace said that the car had aluminum heads when he had it ('72) and was the reason he sold it (leaks). It came to me with cast iron heads. Also it appeared to have very few miles on a rebuild, so I was attempting to see if there may be a connection.

Ernie, Robert may be a possible source of info, thanks for the contact info.

Owen and BDC, I will keep those contacts, thanks for sending them.

Packardberry, that is kind of what I am looking for. Just trying to piece together the Packard Twelve scene of the 70's and 80's. The car went in a black hole in '72 and reemerged missing its roof and gaining cast iron heads.

Riki, I debated on doing the insert conversion on my Pierce Arrow 8's, but decided to go with the original Babbitt. I have seen some of those conversions and they were underwhelming. They were Chrysler slant sic bearings, if I remember correctly.

Thanks again to everyone. I am waiting for one main bearing and I will be ready to put it back together

I have recently run across the name Charlie Last relative to V12 engine work. The information I have is back in the 80's.

Does anyone have any information, like where his shop was and any pictures?

Thanks

Bill