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Yes, noticed the number plates on the cars in the background right away. But I was led to believe this car is somewhere in North America and I've seen plenty of cars around in the southwest with European plates on them, especially on private properties. Sonny Bono's car used to run around SoCal with Monte Carlo plates on it... driving-and somehow got away with it! I used to have U.S. Virgin Islands plates and Bahamas plates on two of my cars years ago. And one of my FIAT Dinos came with German plates mounted. Also have seen European plates on cars in Mexico. I also have pics of a Packard in Puerto Rico with plates on it from Spain. So the plates alone didn't assure me that the car was in Europe. But if that's where it is, that's where it is-or was during the video taping. Thanks.
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Interesting Packard. But... The ad may be out of Atlanta, GA, but I assure you, those videos can only be out of the desert southwest... meaning Southern California, Arizona, possibly Nevada or even Mexico. Wide open desert, mountains and palm trees just don't translate to Atlanta. And yes, I've heard a lot of Twelves... but never heard a healthy one sound like that. Sounds like there is either a nutgrinder somewhere near the camera... or the engine is about ready for life support. The rear end sounds like it is howling for help too.
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Hello, Thanks for the post. I'm very well aware of Edith Piaf's 1956 Caribbean convertible in this museum in France. Her car has been hugely modified. Colors are non-original and interior looks as if the seats were changed over from a Mercedes Benz. Just totally modified with original Caribbean seats completely gone from what I have seen. One of the original stories of a Pan American in a French museum came from Henry Austin Clark... who certainly knew his automobiles and who insisted the car was there many years ago. But who knows? There are also other stories. I do know for certain that a Pan American toured Europe in the 1950s and there are strong rumors that it never returned to the USA. So again, I continue to appreciate any leads in this regard. Thanks again for the posting.
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Thanks much for the very kind words. I have a stack of stuff on the Pan Americans and together with info gathered from others who have cared about these cars since many years ago, the story can now finally be told. But there are still loose ends. I still wish that someone, somewhere out there can find the story of the collection that burned around 1956 that supposedly had a Pan American in it. That's the one I want to see! Does anybody, anywhere know about this story?? Also... does anyone, anywhere know anything at all about a Pan American in Europe? Possibly at a museum in France? There are a dozen conflicting stories about this one....
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The source of this page is indeed known. It is from the September, 1952 edition of Auto Sport Review magazine. Again... Packard Club membership has its privileges. A recent edition of the Packard Club Cormorant News Bulletin published the pages from this 1952 magazine article.
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The source of this page is indeed known. It is from the September, 1952 edition of Auto Sport Review magazine. Again... Packard Club membership has its privileges. A recent edition of the Packard Club Cormorant News Bulletin published the pages from this 1952 magazine article.
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Membership has its privileges... ! If you are not a member, you might want to sign up for a membership in the Packard Club... you have no idea of the goodies you might be missing. Otherwise, get hunting back through your The Packard Cormorant and Cormorant magazines along with issues of Cormorant News Bulletin. A good photo of Richard Arbib's Pan American was published decades ago in the Packard Club's Cormorant magazine. Another Packard Club publication more recently published something in this regard. And... you can also see another view of this photo in the recent Hemmings Motor News daily blog here>>>https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/07/08/pan-american-the-mysterious-packard-concept-sports-car-which-way-did-they-go/comment-page-2/ We know that two of the six Pan Americans had folding tops. It is possible that a third Pan Am also had one and another had been planed to have one (actually they were ALL initially planned to have tops).
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The Packard shown here is Pan American #2 which-last I heard- was sitting on display at the National Packard Museum in Warren, Ohio. This car has been greatly modified from the way it originally was made. And the color is not original at all (the story on the display sign about the gold color on this car is completely wrong and should not be taken as historical fact). The story of ALL of the Pan Americans will be upcoming in The Packard Cormorant magazine. All these things will be explained in that article.
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Wow. Things really get carried away on Facebook, the internet in general and in modern-day magazines. The history of these poor cars is horribly gone wrong. First... the link here is to some kind of write-up done in recent years...which is almost totally in error. The car shown in the photos (of the initial link posted) is absolutely, positively NOT the first Pan American. It was also pictured in a major car magazine that also had the facts dead wrong about what the car was, the number and what features it has. The car pictured is Pan American #4... disguised in more recent years to look similar to the way #1 once looked. It is not the original Pan American, but one of the second series of five cars. Second... the comment on the page claims that another Pan American is sitting in a GM new car dealership in Michigan. YEOW!!! This is all wrong too-no matter how many awards the car has won and what has been written about it and how many accolades it has gathered. I tracked this car down and what I found was what appears to be a customized regular production Caribbean... with 1954 headlight bezels and standard convertible stainless side trim added and non-factory color green. Apparently a custom that someone created off of a normal production Caribbean. Definitely NOT a Pan American and not a factory concept.
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Thanks for posting the picx. Three of the GM Firebird gas turbine cars... wow! AND... what looks like (in the background of one photo) a black 1958 Buick Limited convertible...wow again! I had one, black with factory air, many many years ago. Always wondered what happened to it. Wonder if the one in the photo is my old one. These are so incredibly rare.
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