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Re: 1956 Clipper Custom Engine Paint and Other Questions
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I understand there is a difference between the green used in 56 Clippers and the turquoise green used in 55. Others have said the 56 color is darker and more like the original Packard green but I can't recall seeing an engine to say for sure. As best I can remember from the vendor sites there is no repro of a specific 56 green.

The green used on the 352 engine in 1956 Clippers and Executive is nothing like the original Packard green engine paint. The shade of green used in '56 is a bright green metallic color - almost an emerald green, but brighter than the Emerald color used for '55 exterior finish.

Many years ago, PackardV8 (Keith) told me to use Dupont Dulux 5227DH. In spite of all the hi-temp paints available, he said this paint, in acrylic enamel, worked fine. Even the best hi-temp paints will discolor where the intake manifold crossover at the cylinder head

Posted on: 8/31 6:34:08
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Re: Mirror Identification Help Needed
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I covered the subtle distinction between 51-54 and 55-56 designs in my gripe about the incorrect American Arrow mirror that I got stuck with and in a follow-up posted a little further down in that thread.

You should download the Accessories section of of the 1951-1954 Service Manual, which is archived on this site in PDF format and check out the illustrated installation instructions for that mirror.

It might help you see why the angled cut at the top of the stem, where the head attaches, only works with the stem laying in a horizontal plane, but not for 55-56, where the stem is in a more vertical orientation.

Nevertheless, it looks like both of your 51-54 mirrors have the unique attaching hardware.

The 55-56 mirror requires a formed mounting plate, which uses a completely different kind of attaching screw.

Posted on: 8/30 13:28:54
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Re: Mirror Identification Help Needed
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The mirrors shown at left and center are for 51-54. You can tell by the angle of the top of the stem, where the mirror head is attached (and pivots).

I can only venture a guess that the smaller head is some sort of repair attempt.

The mirror shown at right is for 55-56. The stem is cut more squarely.

Posted on: 8/30 9:26:36
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Re: replacement gas tank in a 1951-56 Packard
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56Clippers -

Thanks for the additional insights.

I had seen your earlier comments about the use of the HF Compact Bender, but I thought those were only for bending solid rod and bar stock. Unless I come up with another solution, I might have to make the investment.

My thinking was that a little change that far downstream would translate into a much greater change in position out at the end, but I see now, from that template, that the home stretch of the neck actually shows good alignment.

Of course, since the top of the tank (to the floor), that's the true plane of reference, I want to 'dry fit' the new tank (as well as the original) to the vehicle and also make a similar comparison template. However, due to family health matters that require my attention, I won't get anywhere near that point until next year.

Posted on: 8/28 7:51:11
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Re: replacement gas tank in a 1951-56 Packard
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Howard -

Correct, there are no Packard tanks listed at the Auto City Classics website. You have to call them to inquire/order at the phone number that 56Clippers provided earlier in this thread - (800) 828-2212. I'll go back and edit that into my previous post, as well.

The invoice I got shows their P/N for the tank as TS5156PK. Curiously, it shows no Site or Bin location, which makes me wonder how long these will be available (and is why I purchased one NOW).

Posted on: 8/28 7:39:50
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Re: replacement gas tank in a 1951-56 Packard
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Thanks to info, here, from 56Clippers and follow-up from ptv, I ordered one of these tanks from Auto City Classics - call (800) 828-2212. When I asked if they bought out Kanter's stock, they told me that THEY had the tanks made.

When the package arrived, I was concerned about the odd shape of the box, but it looks like they selected an oversize box and carefully folded and stapled the end flaps to stabilize the filler neck. IMHO, the inner box is only suitable for stocking in the warehouse.

I didn't have time to do a measured Q.C. check, but I did take time to compare it to an OE tank that I had taken out of one of my Patricians (due to repeated rust clogs in the fuel line/pump/filter). Visually, the stampings of the tank look identical to the OE. In spite of the fact that these tanks originate from Taiwan, I wonder if someone found the original forming/punching/trimming dies.

The fittings for the fuel line and drain (and drain plug itself) are different from original, but that's rather inconsequential to me. I'm just happy that it has a provision for a drain (as original). The plug threads will get a wrap of teflon tape to ensure it can be removed (if needed) later.

The flange for the level sender and the flange at the end of the filler neck for the gas cap are identical to the original. I suspect that these were likely standard shelf items, back in the day. The flange for the gas cap DOES NOT have any sort of crease, dimple or groove added; the vented cap from my original tanks fits perfectly.

The vent tube coming off the filler neck swings out a bit wider on the new tank, which might explain some misalignment with the vent tube coming out of the tank body, but the tubes on the OE tank don't line up perfectly, either. Again, that's a bit inconsequential to me since the two ends are connected with a nice flexible piece of rubber hose (as original), which is included with the new tank.

The neck is formed a bit differently from the original, which is also inconsequential to me, but when I placed the two tanks face-to-face, the end of the neck is about an inch lower. It's not that the neck is shorter, but that the lower bend needs a little tweaking. I called Auto City Classics about this, and they advised that a broom handle slipped into the end of the neck should give enough leverage to make some adjustment, but warned about breaking the solder joint to the tank.

I don't have time to work on that right now, but just wanted to make sure I got one of these tanks while they were still available. Eventually, I will make an outline (as someone else did) to give me a better idea of where to bend and try to come up with a way to hold the bottom of the neck to avoid straining the solder joint.

Adjusting the neck might actually involve more time/effort (compared to fixing a mangled gas cap flange), but I'm happy with this tank (and the lower price). It's about as close to original as you might ever get.

Posted on: 8/27 16:15:29
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Re: 1955-56 fender mirror
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A few weeks ago, I took my dad out for dinner on his 92nd birthday - to the Quaker Steak & Lube in Warren, OH.

Normally, we would go to the original location in Sharon, PA for their hot wings and cold beer, but I wanted him to visit an old friend - the 1956 Caribbean convertible that's on a lift in the dining area at the Warren locations.

You see, while the one and only owner of the car was from Warren, he actually drove across the state line, to Bell Motor Sales in Sharon, PA, to buy this car back in the summer of 1956 - where my dad worked as a mechanic. Dad remembers doing the pre-delivery inspection on that car.

As I munched on my order of wings and took a swig of a beer, I looked up and smiled when I saw an OE side view mirror - mounted on the left front fender. When we were finished eating, my dad got up and took a walk around the car, and noticed that there wasn't a mirror on the other side of the car. Go figure.

My dad has never been one to say much about occasions like this, but as we drove off, he said, "I bet there aren't too many guys out there who can say they had dinner with a car that they worked on 63 years ago.

Posted on: 8/27 15:34:23
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Re: 1955-56 fender mirror
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Don -

The 55-56 version could be mounted on the front fender(s) or front door(s). Refer to the factory template that Owen_Dyneto kindly provided earlier in this thread.

See my previous post #4 in this thread where the mirror (though this is the bad one I got form American Arrow) is mounted to the body of the front door - located per the factory template.

On cars with twin rear antennae, I just happen to prefer a pair of mirrors on the front fenders.

Posted on: 7/18 8:21:53
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Re: 1955-56 fender mirror
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Howard -

Personally, I have seen far more aftermarket mirrors than OE. While may look period-correct, I have also seen plenty of other styles from much later years, but those with a rectangular-shaped head look a bit out of character to me. In either case, I see more of these cars with side view mirrors mounted on the door body.

The placement of a radio antenna may have some impact on the decision. Although the factory template allows for a mirror to be mounted on the front fender in that case, the end result looks a bit crowded (to me).

The aftermarket mirrors that are presently mounted on the fenders of my Caribbean Hardtop have a screw and joint that allows the head to be rolled left-to-right, but I'm not about to mess with that after so many years - especially since I'm gonna replace 'em anyway.

The head of the factory-issue mirror can also be rolled a bit, and having them mounted further forward on the fender increases the field of view.

BTW, my dad once told me that he did not use the factory template when locating the mirrors on the fender, but eye-balled them for best view (whatever that means).

However, he recently added that the reason he went with fender mounting was for the view through the windshield - specifically, that the wipers kept that perspective clear of rain/snow (unlike the view through either front door window). Of course, that might not be much of a consideration for fair-weather only use.

Posted on: 7/16 10:41:27
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Re: 1955-56 fender mirror
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It isn't always necessary to uncrimp and recrimp the bezel or edge...

Thanks for that tip, Dave.

Perhaps, someday, I will experiment on the useless American Arrow mirror that I have - if I can find someone in my area to cut the glass correctly. Then, I can proceed with rehabilitating my cores.

Sadly, trying to make a 55-56 mirror out of the 51-54 repro that I got stuck with may not be worth the effort.

P.S. -

Here's a recent post showing a repro mirror that 'bolts' on from the inside:

Re: Parts for 1955 Packard Caribbean #4

Posted on: 7/16 9:42:38
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