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Re: Fuel sending unit test
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Well, now the plot thickens.... I did hear back from KM Lifestyles and they informed me that they supplied an AC Delco sending unit for my car. 'Mike' at KM says that is what is standard for a 1939 Packard Six. He says what I need is a Stewart Warner sending unit. I mentioned that some Packards came with AC Delco ignition components and some came with Autolite and to my knowledge, I didn't think either was STANDARD, it is just what they were manufactured with based on the plant where they were made. Not sure how I thought I was getting a Stewart Warner unit, but that's what I presumed they were supplying. Now I have to return the unit and we start all over again. One would think if there are two very possible options on an application like this, that the supplier would have made some effort to find out what I had, but unfortunately, no-one thought to ask. Very disappointing.... Chris.

Posted on: Yesterday 15:45:18
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Re: Fuel sending unit test
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Well, being short on patience, I DID try just reversing the wires and it made zero difference - still reads backwards. Now I will just have to wait for KM Lifestyles to respond and see if there are any reversal procedures that I can do here. What looks like the actual sending device, is a small red, cylindrical unit attached just underneath the mounting flange. It has 2 contacts sticking out of it and the wire leading up to the contact post is soldered to ONE of them, so I am wondering if switching to the other contact may reverse the Ohms signal. The red cylinder also looks like it clips together so maybe something inside can be switched as well, to reverse the read. Sending it back from up here is both expensive and such a pain. Hope there's a way!!! Chris

Posted on: Yesterday 14:48:45
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Re: Fuel sending unit test
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Hey Gents,

I did get my new fuel sending unit hooked up for a bench test and to my dismay, it is reading backwards!! (full with the float down and empty with the float up) In using the spare fuel gauge I have, (out of a 1940 Junior car - supposed to be the same gauge) the two posts on the back are differentiated by what looks like a red 'B' which I presumed was the hot post, (Battery) so that is the way I hooked it up. Is it possible just reversing those wires could make it reverse it's reading or would it appear I have an issue with the way KM Lifestyles has manufactured my unit?? I tried contacting them but had to leave a message and have not heard back from them. I want to try (even momentarily) reversing the wires but don't want to damage the new sender. Any words of wisdom, experience and advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Chris.

Posted on: Yesterday 13:58:45
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Re: Hemmings Article
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Mal, Don,

I always wince when I read these articles blaming the Sixes/110's for the demise of Packard. There was so much going on pre-war, and the 'Junior' cars really helped shore up Packard's ailing finances. I guess they DID 'water down' the high-end perception of the marquee name, but when I look at things like Mercedes introducing the 'B' class here in North America, (a veritable go-cart) I wonder why that isn't exactly the same tactic?!?!?! I doubt it will portend Mercedes' failure as a company or hurt their market perception as a luxury brand. I admit to being totally biased, owning a Six, but it seems to me that the 120, Six/110 cars might have saved Packard's bacon, rather than being the death knell of their demise. The significant sales dollars they created, provided Packard with some much-needed working capital with which to plot their future as a company. The market for the hand-built Senior cars seemed to be waning and maybe it was the war, or maybe it was the way the company was managed, but it seems patently unfair to blame it on the Sixes/110's. Chris.

Posted on: 11/23 17:40:36
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Re: Various CL Pickings
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Hmmmmm.... Don, when it comes to old cars, I'm afraid she sees right through me!!! Regardless, that looks like one sweet ride; seems like a very 'honest' resale. Plus, for me up here in Canuckville, with Covid, it would make it very hard to view, purchase and retrieve! Chris.

Posted on: 11/21 13:18:21
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Re: Various CL Pickings
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The '39 Super 8 in Colorado looks like a real bargain.
Boy, I'll say it does, Steve. If I had room and didn't want to stay married, I'd buy that practically sight-unseen!(in person, that is; the pictures tell a pretty good story) Chris

Posted on: 11/21 13:04:59
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Re: How to remove speedometer from '35-37 Senior
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Hi Bob,

I have never worked on a senior car, although it was a ride in one in my youth that really got me hooked on Packard! I HAVE removed and reinstalled the speedometer in my '39 Six and I can relate to all your comments re clutter, accessibility and re-installation. Don't know if the screws you are dealing with are slot or Phillips, but mine were slot and the guy down at the local rope, soap and dope general supply store sold me what was called a 'screw starter'. You may be familiar, but if not, they are about the length of a standard pen and have a twist lock business on one end that you pre-load. You place the screw on the slot bit end and pull back a little collar and the screw is locked on to the device so you can reach in and restart it. One the threads engage, you just pull it off and use a regular screwdriver to tighten things up. I had tried magnetic drivers, even glue, to be able to have some 'reach' with the screws and nothing seemed to work. This little tool worked perfectly. Might be something of help to you when reassembling?? FWIW, I though removing my speedometer was going to be a real bear of a job, and was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was, once I got down to it. I'm sure there are myriad differences between the senior and junior cars AND the year differences as well. Hope it goes well for you. Chris

Posted on: 11/21 12:50:20
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Re: Hub caps for 1939 Super 8 - need 2
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Hey Cirino,
You're in the right 'place' as far as folks with lots of Packard parts and procurement knowledge. You might want to re-post this under 'Packard Parts & Misc. For Sale, Wanted, Trade', you'd probably get better coverage. Just a suggestion. Chris.

Posted on: 11/21 11:58:51
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Re: 6 Volt Electric Fuel Pump
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Hey Pat,
Not sure where you got your rebuilt from, but those fresh re-mans sure look nice, don't they?!? All your questions answered already, but one thing I have been wondering and thought I'd throw in here as an additional query - if the electric pump is back at the tank and it is engaged, can it put pressure on the diaphragm of the mechanical pump, possibly damaging it and allowing gas to be able to be pumped into the engine?? I have my electric pump mounted at the tank and have a toggle switch under the dash. I normally only use it in short bursts, as suggested to prime the carb when the car hasn't been started in a while, but I have had a 'senior moment' and forgot to turn it off. I wondered afterward if I could have hurt the mechanical pump?? I've even thought I should change the toggle to a 'spring-on-only' version so that can't happen. Am I worrying about nothing here?!?!? Chris.

Posted on: 11/20 12:28:46
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Re: Fuel sending unit test
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Hi Howard,

That's a huge help. I will print the diagram and proceed carefully. I intend on using my spare gauge for the initial test and if need be, I can put a meter on the actual gauge and see where the hot negative goes. Once I get green-lighted with the bench test, I will just go ahead and install the sending unit. If the gauge doesn't work then, I know it's wiring or the dash gauge and I don't have to worry about the tank, as that is a bit of a bear to R&R. Thanks for the great info and quick response Howard. I'll report my findings. Chris

Posted on: 11/19 13:06:37
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