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Re: 1941 gas tanks
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There's no repairing this one at all. In a museum since 74 and it rusted from the inside out. The tank belies the rest of the car's condition, and the top was torn out like paper when when it was dropped out for cleaning. I don't know if any of the proposals in that link materialized but worth a look. I'd be in the market for a good used tank, even a good repairable.

Posted on: 1/24 12:29:22
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1941 gas tanks
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Before I start playing Phillip Marlow I thought I'd ask here. What's a good source for a 41 8cyl fuel tank? The one we have in our 160 is toast. Sitting since the 70s in a museum will do that I guess. Thanks in advance for any leads.

Posted on: 1/20 9:19:57
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Re: Which parts get what color?
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The process as described in the salesman's handbook stated that all bodies were given a coat of black for final visual inspection of panel fit and quality. This practice continued through the Clipper years. Once approved all the outer surfaces got their final color and lighter colors recieved a light base 1st (I'm guessing something similar to a light grey sealer and on some I've seen red oxide so it may have been a "wet on wet" process?). After the outer surfaces were done a masking of the jamb areas and a finish coating of the final color applied. Only the outer surface was then cut and polished. This logically presumes that the undersides of the fenders and floors were simply left black. I have at times seen this in person having had the chance to view many an original car over 4+ decades in restoration. It's also logical to presume that senior models may have rec'd a little more "love" and less rush to production given their exponentially higher price tags. Of interest I have a 41 160 in the shop with 35K original miles and a 3 owner car. It came with documentation as to the mileage and it's "original paint", but it's black and the firewall is Packard Blue. Given the last time it changed hands (1973) I find it hard to believe someone did a "restoration" so thorough as to include under easy to remove trim parts and full jambs as well as below the decklid. My guess (and it's just that) is the original selling dealer may have painted it in full refinish service standards to accomodate a sale. All the lower surfaces are just a simple black as always seen before. Owens Dyn is correct in that regular production enameling was used on frames. I've seen a slight gloss as well as what looks semi-gloss. Production enamel was chosen for speedy dry time and lower unit cost. As we've all seen, leave it to the elements and it's gonna go flat. Given all the stuff above (asked the time and built a clock) you won't do yourself or the car's authenticity a disservice by just spraying the chassis black. Maybe not a double throw down ultra glossy show urethane job, but not necessarily low gloss either. Cover it, be thorough, you get what you get when it's dried. On the outside, if you decide lacquer you better stock up on Preparation H before you get a quote. It's about 400% higher priced these days given all the eco-minded limits we face. Have fun...

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Re: 1941 160
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some clean up shots, maybe a bit boring but what I have for now. The finish is shining up lovely, the rear seat pic shows how it cleaned up. The trunk shot is of the original flocking still in place.

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Posted on: 12/21 13:36:05
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Re: 1938 Super 8 engine torque?
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TQ figures will be the same as a 34-5-6 Eight. The 37-8 Super 8 is the same engine.

Posted on: 2019/9/18 8:52
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Re: 1941 160
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My friend won it, of course with a little 'push' from me. The final bid doesn't reflect the bidder's fee, sales tax, etc. We're bringing it back to life but will keep it's survivor status. The interior is all original, faded but no torn or worn spots. The chrome cleaned up nice, the engine wasn't stuck but 1 valve was a bit fussy. I'm certain the clutch disc is stuck to the flywheel, also common when a car sits for over 4 decades. No rust holes except for a small bit under the right sidemount. Dash plastic is what us Packard folk dream of finding. The door weather seals were melted away, and I surmised that it may have sat in front of a big window and saw more heat in the VA summers than most of the other cars. I found a picture set of the museum and go figure, damn near right in one of the big front windows. New seals ordered but still some mess to clean up in that regard. Overall a nice car and yes indeed, the 127" wheelbase. I find that to be way better than the 138" versions. Film @ 11...

Posted on: 2019/9/17 6:25
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Re: Seeking info on a '34 dual cowl Phaeton
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Try looking under the carpet on the passenger side front sill wood. If the original wood is there the same body/sequence number will show. Failing that, try the rear sill wood on the passenger side. Of note, the sport phaeton body has a few individual clues of their own that would be difficult to "fake" as has been put above. The 'B' pillar has vents in them that correspond with vent screen in the front seat back panel. The sheet metal around the back of the front seat is straight which accomodates a jamb of sorts for the passenger cowl to rest in rather than the curved sheet metal on a 5 passenger version. The doors are also unique and carry the sides of the same door jamb. To fake such coachwork detail on an eight seems rather counter-intuitive and a lot of expense usually reserved for Super 8s or V-12s. As to the whole notion of such, as long as one was honest and documents their efforts to get the car they wanted it seems like sour grapes to call such cars fakes. There was a time when folks just used all the best parts they could aquire to have the cars of their dreams, and also a time when most clubs and marque-specific orgs didn't care as long as it was all gennie Packard (or Auburn, Cadillac, etc) parts used to create the end result. Back then buyers and collectors didn't care either. The troubles begin if said cars are being touted as the way they were born rather than a disciplined venture into preserving them. just my opinion and overview FWIW.

Posted on: 2019/9/15 11:53
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Re: 1941 160
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Stay tuned for more info on this one. For now, 35,000 original miles, interior is cleaning up nicely, no O/D or radio but that's ok. Seems to be a single repaint, however the job is so thorough I feel as though it might have been a dealer re-color to accomodate a sale. The car hasn't run since 1974 and was part of the Roaring 20's museum in VA. If anyone has a back story on the car I'd love to hear it.

Posted on: 2019/9/15 11:21
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Re: 1941 Packard 160 Dash Gauge Face Color
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I'm surprised you didn't get an answer. If you mean the actual gauge face as well as the clock surround, the 160 and 180 was a gold-bronze look. The plastic, or Tenite as the parts book calls out, came in maroon, brown, green, blue grey and tan. Tan seems to have been the most popular choice as the majority of original and project cars I've seen were all tan ecept for 1 that I've seen in grey.

Posted on: 2019/9/15 11:15
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Re: 1947 Super Clipper 2103
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I'm in the mood to sell! I need the room, I need the time and space for my other personal cars. I really want to see this car go to a lucky new owner. It's pretty, it's got nice "long legs" for hiway cruising and feels oh so comfy about 65 MPH with a lot of gas pedal to spare for passing. The little bit of love it could use is nothing compared to others out there. If I had the time, space and freedom to do as I please I'd never let it go but reality bites.

Once again, this was in the Harrah's collection in Reno, NV. I have a hardcover book about Harrah's and it's listed as number 1067. I have the I.D. sign that it was displayed with and a certificate from the Harrah collection dated 9-30-84 when the car was sold. From there it was in the collection of Mr. Richard Kughn in Detroit where it remained until Nov of 2002. My friend bought it from that owner in 2008. I've known of this car since the 90s and was happy to see it in the hands of my friend. He started the sympathetic service and upgrades but life, time and real estate eventually stopped it. I now have it, finished it to be road worthy and have enjoyed my tenure with her. The condition of the sheet metal and frame rails is so far above average it's almost unbelievable. If one wanted the ultimate show car this one would be the lowest priced restoration, perhaps ever. As a tour car and just simple enthusiastic ownership, well how could it be any better? A senior Packard Clipper with the inimitable 356 and OD, well sorted, and not a single thing to hang one's head in shame about. I'll gladly entertain sincere and realistic offers. You can't go wrong with this one.

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