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Re: 2126 door window installation.
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Howard, I used your link and it was very helpful. Then, went back to Main Menu and realized I had not opened the Packard Literature and Manuals link. Went to that and bingo....thanks. Funny how we tend to put off the PIA stuff til the end and then all we have left to do is the PIA stuff. Seems to be the case more often than not. Will press on with window installation and refitting. Luckily, wont have to tackle the front doors windows for a while and maybe retain some sanity (whats left).

Posted on: 6/21 18:30:18
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Re: 2126 door window installation.
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That makes sense for the front tie bar wire support clip bracket. I'll check the front doors to see if the bracket fits there. The front doors are probably the same for the 2106 and 2126. BAck doors are different. I might be missing the two brackets. the ones I do have fit the back door perfectly, just trying to figure out right and left sides. if I could spool up the expanded parts list, I might be able to figure which is R and L. No luck there so far.
Am I correct in thinking the last to go in would be the window/channel assembly and then the window stop bracket which mounts in the middle of door panel. Nothing else seems to interfere with the window installation though the fuzzy felt channel might have to go in after window is in place and lowered.

Posted on: 6/21 10:44:15
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Re: 2126 door window installation.
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Thanks Howard. I can't seem to find the exploded parts views that I once had easy access to. The illustrated parts list shows basic finished assembly. No details as to what the hidden parts might be. Possibly I am trying the wrong link which is "illustrated parts list" or "master parts list". I don't have a link to the service manual you referred to as 46-50, only links to 41-47 reference.
Pretty sure these parts are window channel related. sending better (hopefully) pictures.

Rear doors on the 2126 are straight sections with no cutout for wheel fenders. The pieces with spring clips on one end and slotted hole on the other (lower) end match the door sheet metal slots and threaded holes. Not sure right and left though. The other piece has clips for what I would guess would be window channel felt strips but they could be wire harness clips under the hood. I do have the braces you mentioned in prior post.
Thanks
Bob

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Posted on: 6/21 7:54:16
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Re: 2126 door window installation.
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OOOOOOKKKKK....will try again on car pics LOL

Posted on: 6/21 6:43:00
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2126 door window installation.
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Once again, I have come to drink from the "well of knowledge". Working on reinstalling all of the window and door lock hardware on my 2126 super clipper that was removed by a "restoration" shop around 6 years ago. I had to remove the car from that shop due to some less than savory activity and bogus billing. Luckily they are now out of business. Have been sitting on these parts since then (some assembly required) and now trying to piece things back together. Also need some guidance as to what order re-assembly takes place. Reverse engineering the program would dictate the window and lower channel might go in last since replacing windows should'nt require disassembly of entire door...
presently I have the door jamb lock and remote door lock strap and hardware in place as well as the regulator. All of this is on the back doors only. Front doors are still being painted. Two pictures below are ones that need some clarification. The one guy at the now defunct resto shop was always helpful and willing to give details. I'm pretty sure he mentioned that the hardware pictured below had to go in last after the window was in place but memory could be a bit fuzzy. Any clarification or direction to a prior thread would be greatly appreciated. Getting ready to send some hardware to powder coating so would like to have some idea of how to approach these when they come back. Pics of finished body work from the 2nd resto shop. Son loves the car!
Thanks for all your help.

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Posted on: 6/21 6:35:13
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Re: 1948 288 coil
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My dad used to use paper match book striker strips. Had some heft to it with the paper backing. He drove nothing but Packards for 30 years.
When he passed away he still had 22 Packards in the "stable".

Posted on: 6/20 11:37:51
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Re: 2126 model wiring question/diagram
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Howard,
The Fog Has Lifted.
Your last post defined the problem in a number of ways. Thanks for clarifying that the "carburetor switch"= starter switch, and that Throttle switch=OD kick down switch or as I called it initially, the "accelerator switch"
With that clarification, I was able to look at both the colored wiring (birds eye view) diagram and your 46/47 wiring schematic with color coding reference and it all made sense.
Aside from the reversed wiring the shop did on the solenoid relay (456-123) connections, there were other areas that were not addressed as in grounding the generator to Light junction ground terminals.
Also, for what ever reason, the often referenced OD solenoid and OD/EC device became the "governor" which is easier to understand.
Multimeter and long alligator clip wire and I will make sure that continuity is correct in all the ignition series wiring components.
Hope to light this candle sometime next week. Thanks again
Cheers,
Sparky....lol
PS....in case any watching were wondering...my son ties my shoes:)

Posted on: 4/10 11:11:05
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Re: 2126 model wiring question/diagram
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None of the equipment in picture above is present so I will cap off the green with eye (heat shrink) as well as the 2 (?) G/R pairs. I did find a red cable not connected at the OD/EC control. The shop had labeled it "governor". Guess that can be capped as well.
Have traced out the OD lockout switch wiring located on lockout cable next to wheel. One wire going to the accelerator switch at carburetor (carburetor switch) black/red tracer. Haven't traced the other one yet.
ohmed out the wiring from generator to voltage regulator and all seems fine.
Still a bit confused from Big Kev's wiring diagram as it has an "ignition" switch (key)to coil, also has a "starter switch/car starter" along with a "throttle switch"
Guessing throttle switch and carburetor switch are the same but wondering what the "starter switch is referring to. The diagram resembles the carburetor switch in configuration and wiring but.....
Also, the carburetor switch shows continuity with minor resistance prior to advancing throttle linkage...? seems a bit odd.
In another week, I do have the owner of my local car shop who has agreed to spend a morning or afternoon sorting thru the starting issue. He has a '38 Packard that is about 90% restored and is somewhat familiar with the brand at least. Just trying to get as many questions answered as possible prior to that. Thanks for your patience.
Bob

Posted on: 4/9 13:43:16
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Re: 2126 model wiring question/diagram
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Howard,
I'm pretty sure you are correct on the mis-labeling issue. At the tail end of the wiring harness as it connects to starter solenoid, the two R-G pair might be unnecessary at which point I will heat shrink the connections to avoid any possible contact. Out of one of the loom end runs, one R-G pair, and a single green wire with eye end, runs out in engine compartment. Pretty sure that is the correct area for that portion of loom run since the wires connected to starter solenoid are exiting just prior to the R-G pair and Green single wire. There isn't much excess wire in at the starter solenoid connection.
The green single wire is labeled "direct speed switch" and one of your diagram/drawings shows the "direct speed"switch possibly associated with the electromagnetic clutch (which I think we determined the car isn't equipped with). Just trying to clarify where that single green might connect if it connects at all. It is long enough to reach the forward end of engine. Not sure if it would reach to switch for overdrive at transmission location. Scratchin' head again but meanwhile busy sorting out wiring fiasco from resto shop. Won't even go into details but the wiring at OD solenoid was completely reversed. Hoping I haven't lost a coil or other damaged circuit.
Cheers
Bob

Posted on: 4/9 10:26:00
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Re: 2126 model wiring question/diagram
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Howard,
As I compared your photos of overdrive solenoid and the color wire diagram from Big Kev, it was obvious that 4 and 6 were reverse connected. Also, two of the bottom wires were in the wrong position (1 and 3??). I switched 4/6 and still had the short. Then switched the bottom terminals to match correct color/terminal numbers. No short:). However, I don't have a complete circuit to starter so will have to trace that issue.
I think I understand now, my reference to accelerator switch was really the overdrive kickdown right at accelerator pedal. I did know that the carburetor switch was mounted on carb base and engaged by the throttle linkage. Details coming back slowly.
Saw your reply regarding fog lights/EC switch. My car does have the fog light dash switch but no lights were installed. The control cable and knob I believe are strictly mechanical disconnect for the OD so EC not installed as option....I guess.
Direct speed switch I have not located however, the green wire in loom has an eye that is not attached. It is labeled Direct speed switch and is long enough to reach the back 2/3 of engine compartment. Mystery still remains on the two unattached pairs of red and green with round pin connectors. There is no obvious place to connect except one to the other with bakelite butt connection. The two greens ohm out as "common" but the reds do not. Scratchin' head. Will keep digging...Thanks for all your input.
Cheers

Posted on: 4/4 17:30:21
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