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Has anyone anything to report on the new design pistons from Kanter?
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IIRC, supposedly, Kanter now has a new source for Packard V8 pistons with the steel expansion struts cast into them.

That's the good news. The bad news is their retail prices are $560 for 352" and $640 for the 374".

Has anyone used the new Kanter's and have a first hand comparison with the Egge pistons? The Egge's pistons improved in the last few years, but were not as good as the OEMs. For the $400 or so, they were OK for restored cars.

What's the word?

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Posted on: 2014/11/22 21:44
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Re: Has anyone anything to report on the new design pistons from Kanter?
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The last one I did we put forged pistons in it.

I don't think the $30 differential is particularly steep. However, if they aren't tin plated I'm not sure it's worth it given the tin plating allows running tight clearances. If they aren't tin plated then they still need to run .002-.0025 the same way as the other stuff.

Hopefully the tolerances are such that individual fitting is not such a big deal.

Posted on: 2014/11/23 6:09
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The last one I did we put forged pistons in it.
Agree, I do many builds with forged pistons, but for most restoration/show cars not driven hard, they offer no real benefit for the 2X cost above the Egge.

Just for the good of the order, from whom did you source the forged pistons and what is the current cost?

That's the purpose of this question. I know the tradeoffs for the baseline Egge repops and topline forged pistons. Now, if Kanter has a median option, I'd offer the customer three price levels, with benefits of each and let him choose.

And yes, even a Packard owner, an extra $400-500 on the rebuild cost can be the deciding factor.

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If they aren't tin plated then they still need to run .002-.0025 the same way as the other stuff.


I'd respectfully disagree. Most OEM and rebuilder pistons today aren't tin-plated and it's their design and/or alloy which determines the piston-to-bore clearances required.

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Hopefully the tolerances are such that individual fitting is not such a big deal.


Not usually a problem today, but we still measure each piston and write the exact dimension to the ten-thousandth on the top. With a power stroke hone and diamond stones, it's possible to hold desired bore clearance within .0005".

FWIW, the Packard Shop Manual allows a range of piston-to-wall clearance of .0005 - .0015". Evidently, Bohn Aluminum and Brass, the piston manufacturer and the Packard engine plant couldn't hold an exact bore clearance, so the pistons had to be selectively fitted to the bores. That's why each bore has a single or double letter stamped on the outer edge of the block; to tell the assembler which piston should go in each hole.

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Posted on: 2014/11/24 11:49
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