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Hydralic lifter noise
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My '52 has hydralic lifters. When I get up to max temp - usually takes about an hour, I get a very noticable ticking, which I think is a lifter. After just a few minutes of cooling, the noise is gone and returns when I finally again get the engine fully heated. Noticable at idle, once I get any RPMs, it gets lost in the mix.

I didn't realize I had hydralic lifters until I pulled the valve cover to adjust them.

Everything is quite clean behind the covers, and I believe the engine might have been gone through in the past few years before I got the car.

I am hoping that I have a lifter that is gunked up and there is a way to clear it short of pulling the lifters out and testing/rebuilding them. We used to use a high detergent oil that would often help unstick a lifter - I can't remember what it was called and don't know if it is available today.

Any suggestions on how to proceed would really be appreciated.

Posted on: 2017/5/16 0:31
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Hi 41 Touring

An old-time mechanic here swore by four quarts of oil and a quart of automatic transmission fluid to quiet noisy lifters. It's a great lubricant and detergent enough to clear small passages. I've used it in tired engines over the years with success.

Others will have good advice to follow too.

Steve

Posted on: 2017/5/16 8:08
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Rislone will clean out an engine? John

Posted on: 2017/5/16 8:13
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Years back the two most popular snake oils for noise lifters were Alemite CD-2 and Shaler's Rislone. Whether either ever actually performed as promised is open to debate.

Posted on: 2017/5/16 9:22
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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I am curious why only when hot. I think I would check the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge in place of the sender or maybe permanently add a hidden mechanical gauge setup in parallel as a backup. There are ports on the main gallery on passenger side of engine where this could be done and the sensing tube run somewhere so the gauge is tucked out of sight.

The oil pressure is spec'd at around 40psi at normal driving speed but is considerably lower at idle. Maybe something is worn or the oil is the wrong weight and when hot, is thinning so much that the noisy lifter is a symptom of another problem coming to light.

Posted on: 2017/5/16 9:49
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Yes, so curious on oil pressure. Bypass oil filter setup? Restrictor could be missing. If pressure is low, then you could shim the oil pressure relief spring in the pump.

Posted on: 2017/5/16 9:53
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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FI believe all '52's came equipped with a bypass filter. If the restrictor were missing it would show lifter problems well before an hour's running on the road. From my experience it seems like the one lifter is leaking a bit and when hot and the oil is thin it ticks.

Change the oil and filter, try a multi-vis oil od a heavier weight, 10W- 40??

If that doesn't fix it replace the bad lifter

Posted on: 2017/5/16 11:49
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Fred, oil filters were still an option then. Also, you never know what changes a previous owner made. My '54 actually has a prewar oil filter on it and was not plumbed in by-pass configuration when I got it.

Here is a snippet from the Accessories section of the Parts List.

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Posted on: 2017/5/16 12:30
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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Also, with the Southern Calif heat (I noticed your location says Irvine, CA, I lived in Riverside) I ran Shell Rotella or Chevron Delo 15-40 engine oil. When I ran thinner oil, I got a lot of blow by on hot days and a flickering oil pressure light after long freeway runs.

After using 15-40, I never had the problem again. Just my

Posted on: 2017/5/16 12:35
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Re: Hydralic lifter noise
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"Rislone" is the name I was looking for. I have heard the ATF solution before but never tried it.

I do have the by-pass filter.

I think you guys are right, I should run a guage at least until I get this sorted out. I can run one temporarily from the trouble light indicator.

BTW BigKev, I now live in Cambria, on Ca. central coast, where neither cars or drivers ever overheat. So, it takes a long drive to truely get the car to its max heat.

I'll try a guage and let you know what I find.

Thank you all for the advice.

Posted on: 2017/5/16 12:53
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