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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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Archiveman,

Freon 22 was used by Chrysler Imperial?
And Packard and GM used Freon 12?

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Posted on: 2017/7/16 22:03
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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dwightrh wrote:
Packard used the flat louvers in 1953 and 1954. They never had any plastic ducts. The difference in the a/c water pump is that it has a longer shaft so as to clear the two a/c compressor belts. The longer shaft places the fan slightly closer to the radiator.


That would seem plausible since the parts book never explicitly mentions a change or second duct option so begs the question of who was installing the clear ducts.

Here is a car with the flat louvers that let the ride decide posted some time back. I had the same louvers in my Pacific. The other is of a 54 I collected off ebay and based on the round hole in that shelf vs the oval shaped hole I know the louvers in my Pacific had, I see no sign of flat louvers ever being present unless traces are under the what appears to be a color coordinated wide base flange. The flange is much wider than those used by ARA and others with clear plastic ducts. That brings up the question of why the specific later series part numbers (461xxx vs 448xxx) for the different trim set numbers and used in 54 only unless it for the wide flange.

I have also seen photos of other cars having the clear ducts. Were dealers doing the install or could there possibly have been a not very well documented late factory change.

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Posted on: 2017/7/16 22:29
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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LET THE RIDE DECIDE,

You are correct:

1953 Chrysler used Freon 22 used in Chrysler, Chrysler Imperial, DeSoto and Dodge

1953 GM used Freon 12 in Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile

1953 Packard used Freon 12

1953 Lincoln used Freon 12

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Posted on: 2017/7/17 9:46
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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The question of the 1953-1954 Packard AC vents is an interesting one.

We have seen three types of cool air vents:

1. The slanted, louvered vents which lay flat on the package tray, with two chromed fresh/recirculated air knobs next to the return air grilles.

2. Extended length clear plastic ducts which met at the junction of the headliner and rear window molding, without chromed knobs.

3. Shorter, horse shoe-shaped clear plastic ducts with a vertical opening toward the rear passenger, without chromed knobs. The cool air blew directly onto the necks of the rear passengers. (See attached)

I imaged this 1953 Packard Cavalier. Oddly it featured oval return air grilles with white, irregularly cut gaskets and no chromed knobs.

Could the installations between the flat, louvered vents which included chromed fresh/recirculated air knobs and those with the clear air ducts and no chromed knobs be attributed to Packard dealer's Field Installation kits like those which were announced in the April 1953 Cadillac Accelerator? Refer to my post 7-16-17 for the Cadillac announcement.

Does anyone have dealer literature to substantiate this observation or have owner's instructions or Data Book supplemental information?

Comments?

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Posted on: 2017/7/17 14:38
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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archiveman2977, funny that you posted this, because I've been reading all the old Popular Science starting at 1940 and today I saw this and was thinking of posting it. I hadn't been on this forum for a few days and was surprise to see your post so here is what I found.
I hope you can use this,
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Posted on: 2017/7/17 19:34
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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Hi Wes,

Thanks for the heads-up about the Refrigair aftermarket unit from Popular Science 8-53. I am, however, focusing on factory air.

You may enjoy a book written by Rod Barclay, Boy! That Air Feels Good!, sold on Amazon, which details the complete history of aftermarket AC and its roots in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. It's a very good read.

Since you have Popular Science resources, look up the 10-52 edition. It lays out the plans for the 1953 factory air conditioning systems, with images.

Also, find the 2-53 edition which focuses on the 1953 Oldsmobile AC.

I appreciate your input, from now and before, and welcome more factory AC information. My Volume 1 comprises 1940-1942 and 1953 systems. Volume 2 will cover 1954-1960 systems.

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Posted on: 2017/7/18 9:23
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archiveman2977, yes I had already read about those and forgot them already until you mention them. So much good reading from those old magazines. So I'm putting the Goggle link if anyone else is interested in all the magazines. They go from 1870 to 2000 but mostly 1910 to 2000 and enjoy a bit of history.
https://books.google.com/books/about/Popular_Science.html?id=vSwDAAAAMBAJ
Good work.
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Posted on: 2017/7/18 15:36
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Posted on: 2017/7/23 10:42
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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dwightrh in response to plastic ducts for my 1953 a/c Packard.
I have found that they were an option available from the Kansas City Zone Office on April 20,1954
it is listed on The Robert H. Aller cd vol. 2 $12.00 net $20.00 retail.
hope this info resolves the question as to it being a Packard or after market item.
lots of good info on these c/d
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Posted on: 2017/7/24 16:26
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Re: 1953-1954 PACKARD AC INFO REQUEST
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Charlie, great info! and thanks for digging that out. Answers a long-standing question. I've got the Aller disc set and will now look it up. Thanks again.

Posted on: 2017/7/24 17:24
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