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I really, really like step-down Hudsons. Like any other brand, I think you would do well to save your scheckels and buy the best condition example you could, especially in light of what Eric brngs up re: unit body integrity.
My former employer has a 1951 Hornet convertible, twin H power and all, I loved driving that car.
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I know the Customs are more desireable, generally. I'm interested in a '48 Deluxe in number 3 condition. Every thing appears nice but the motor may need overhauled. NADA and THE OLD CAR PRICE GUIDE don't always agree on values. Any suggestions or views here? And, what does a flat head eight cost to totally rebuild? Russ
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RussBees wrote:....I'm interested in a '48 Deluxe in number 3 condition......but the motor may need overhauled.......what does a flat head eight cost to totally rebuild? Russ  to PackardInfo. Don't know yet what it would cost to overhaul but in about a month or so I will when my '41 120 is rebuilt. And don't forget to include your Packard in the Packard Owner's Registry, together with a pic, any known history and how you acquired, that is once you do acquire it!
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/o[]o\ ====  Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this?  Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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And, what does a flat head eight cost to totally rebuild? Russ
Two recent prices from the New Jersey area for Packard 356 engines. First one was a very reputable engine rebuilder with lots of Packard experience. The motor was pulled and delivered to him, and picked up when finished. A very comprehensive rebuild cost about $6000. Clutch and water pump also replaced, engine block painted. Cost does not include car storage for 3 months or so. Price did not include any accessory rebuilding. Included engine balancing. Cost does not include pulling and reinstalling the engine. The second was done at a restoration shop with lots of Pebble Beach winners as credentials. He took the total car, took care of the engine removal and reinstallation, stored the car, did the engine and all accessories, generator, starter, carburetor rebuild, water pump, radiator recore, clutch, engine balancing, etc. + a very detailed engine cosmetic job. Cost about $20,000. If you're clever and handy mechanically and can do everything except the block boiling and magnafluxing and machining, you can probably do a very credible job for about $1500-$2000 in parts and machine shop work.
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Two recent prices from the New Jersey area for Packard 356 engines. First one was a very reputable engine rebuilder with lots of Packard experience. The motor was pulled and delivered to him, and picked up when finished. A very comprehensive rebuild cost about $6000. Clutch and water pump also replaced, engine block painted. Cost does not include car storage for 3 months or so. Price did not include any accessory rebuilding. Included engine balancing. Cost does not include pulling and reinstalling the engine. Wow, that makes me so glad that I do all this myself, minus the machine work. Quote: If you're clever and handy mechanically and can do everything except the block boiling and magnafluxing and machining, you can probably do a very credible job for about $1500-$2000 in parts and machine shop work. This is more in line with what I would be spending to rebuild a 356, sounds about right for a DIY'er.
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Probably should have mentioned that when grinding the crank on a 356 you have the additional (and not trivial) expense of removing the counterweights in order to grind the rod throws. This involves milling out the old bolt heads, and making or buying new replacement bolts to refasten them after grinding. I dont believe that's a requirement on any of the other postwar straight eights.
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There's no way to just un-bolt them and re-use the old bolts?
And no, the 288/327/359 engines don't need that done.
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Dave, I have been considering a complete rebuild of my 356 engine and was wondering about the crank throws. Why is it that they must be removed in the 356 to grind the rod throws. Don't most car engines have counterweights bolted or forged into the crankshaft?
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No Eric. And the 320 and 385 cranks are essentially similar in that the counterweight slightly overlaps the rod journal so to grind full-width, the weights must come off. Essentially, the bolts have very long extended heads.
After the weights are installed and the bolts tightened, the shanks are cut off flush with the counterweight and then brazed or welded to the crank, thus to remove them you have to mill down thru the weld or braze and thru the head of the bolt. Ive never actually done this myself so maybe I've got the details not quite right, but if so I'm sure someone who has actually done it will chime in.
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