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1940 front door window mechanism
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The clueless forge on.

I seem to be getting close on re-installing the front windows. BUT I can't figure out how the arms connect. In the parts book they connect at the large hole on the main arm, but I don't have or recognize what the parts that hold the two arms together.

Also not sure if the arms are arranged correctly.

The bottom of the small arm rides in a horizontal guide inside the door.

On the small arm there's a round hole and a short slot.

Unless the part is simple, something generic, I can't imagine tossing it.


If you can put me out of my misery, please do.
Thanks

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Posted on: 2011/6/5 15:00
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Re: 1940 front door window mechanism
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I haven't taken mine apart yet, so I'm of no help on this one. I will be as soon as I can, as I need to replace all my glass.
Interesting that you have push-out vent windows. I wish I did. The gears in the roll-out windows tend to fall apart.

Posted on: 2011/6/5 16:02
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Re: 1940 front door window mechanism
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Thanks, West. I talked to Jim about it and my friend Vaughn, who came by last night and took a look.

He thinks there's a bushing of some kind that rides in the big hole in the primary arm.

The screw hole in the secondary arm is for a screw to hold the bushing in place, perhaps with a washer, too, allowing the arms to move with a scissor action.

I just don't know what I'm looking for. Jim thinks the other hole in the secondary arm, the slotted hole, is for a second screw and the slot allows for adjustment to keep the window from binding.Almost every hole in the door is slotted for that purpose, so I think that's right.

This is a real roadblock at this point. I'll have to take the front doors to the upholsterer so they can cover the door panels without windows and take them back to attached the door panels after I get the windows in.

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Posted on: 2011/6/8 9:01
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Help, help, help. 1940 front door window mechanism
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I'm really stuck on this. If no one knows what goes into that junction, are there any guesses? Or other resources I can check? Would be much appreciated since it's one of those niggling details that is holding up a lot of assembly on the front doors. Thank you for suggestions.
Joe

Posted on: 2011/6/17 12:45
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The basic mechanism looks very much like the Clipper setup and that has a pin and spring arrangement joining the two. Any chance it is similar but has a different spring and the plate enclosure holding the parts together instead of the pin. If not enough room for a spring, what about just the round plate shown in the parts illustration sandwiching the other arm in position via bolts and spacers.

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Posted on: 2011/6/17 13:02
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Re: Help, help, help. 1940 front door window mechanism
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Rereading your post 3, I think your friend may be right about a shouldered bushing or plate. Any sign of a wear pattern around the circumference of the large hole which would indicate a diameter of something like that.

Posted on: 2011/6/17 13:23
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Re: Help, help, help. 1940 front door window mechanism
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Thanks, Howard.
The spring on mine in the photo and drawing is on the crank part (in the left side of the photo). There isn't any catch for the spring on the arm, so I think it must be different and hopefully simpler. I do have an extra set of pins I could use that were made to the wrong specs, my boo-boo, if a spring actually goes there.

Posted on: 2011/6/17 13:30
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Re: Help, help, help. 1940 front door window mechanism
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I'll look for wear, but of course, I cleaned up and painted these in 1990. And they are at home, so I'll inspect tonight. Thanks for help.

Posted on: 2011/6/17 13:32
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Did you look on the inside of the inner door panel for a trough welded in place that would hold the one end of the door mechanism and allow a pin on the scissor mechanism to ride in this trough? Use a small hand mirror to inspect the inner side of this panel.

Posted on: 2011/6/17 21:42
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Re: Help, help, help. 1940 front door window mechanism
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O yes, Randy. There's a guide against the inside of the door for the lower end of the secondary arm. I'm trying to figure out what connects the 2 arms at the cross of the scissors. Could be 2 disks, one on top of the crossing and one below, held together by 2 screws and nuts. Probably a bushing so the disks would move easily as it scissored when the window was cranked up or down.
I do appreciate you input and thinking about this.
Thanks,
Joe

Posted on: 2011/6/17 23:25
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