Headliner Retainers 51 Club Sedan
Posted by Larry51 On 2014/6/22 8:57:44
Have an intriguing problem that I hope somebody is able to help me with . . .
My Club Sedan came in pieces with parts from other (4-door) cars. Amongst my parts are six (3 for the RHS and 3 for the LHS) Headliner Retainers. The Parts Book definitely says six required for a 2465 Club Sedan - Front, Centre and Rear pieces on each side. These are the metal strips with teeth that hold the headliner tight.
The two Front pieces are a good fit on my 2-door. The other 4 pieces don't even look like they could fit. I haven't re-shaped them, and even if I did they look like they're more likely for a 4-door car. But the real problem goes deeper. . . .
There are holes that match perfectly on the LH and RH front pieces and they fit AOK, but looking at the roof rail towards the rear of the car, there are no holes there, PLUS IMO there is not enough depth on the rail to drill holes and mount any retainers. See photos. The rail thins out, so no place to drill / screw any retainers at rear.
Seems possible that's why they are missing from my bits and pieces, because maybe the Rear and Centre retainers were never fitted to Club Sedans.Maybe only the Front ones were.
What I do see is around six or eight tacks each side, hammered in up and under the flexible glass channel. For the reason mentioned above, it seems like these tacks were the method Packard used to get the headliner tight and held in place at the back of the car. The tacks go clear through the metal! I think they must have been fired from a gun. They look original, I doubt that the car was ever re-upholstered (but can't be certain about that).
Front retainer fits perfectly
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg"/></a>[/img]
Screw Holes line up OK for the Front retainer
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg"/></a>[/img]
Rail towards rear thins right down, no room to fit retainers?
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg"/></a>[/img]
If this was the correct Retainer there's no room to screw it onto roof rail
Seems like tacks were used instead?
Any ideas appreciated thanks.
My Club Sedan came in pieces with parts from other (4-door) cars. Amongst my parts are six (3 for the RHS and 3 for the LHS) Headliner Retainers. The Parts Book definitely says six required for a 2465 Club Sedan - Front, Centre and Rear pieces on each side. These are the metal strips with teeth that hold the headliner tight.
The two Front pieces are a good fit on my 2-door. The other 4 pieces don't even look like they could fit. I haven't re-shaped them, and even if I did they look like they're more likely for a 4-door car. But the real problem goes deeper. . . .
There are holes that match perfectly on the LH and RH front pieces and they fit AOK, but looking at the roof rail towards the rear of the car, there are no holes there, PLUS IMO there is not enough depth on the rail to drill holes and mount any retainers. See photos. The rail thins out, so no place to drill / screw any retainers at rear.
Seems possible that's why they are missing from my bits and pieces, because maybe the Rear and Centre retainers were never fitted to Club Sedans.Maybe only the Front ones were.
What I do see is around six or eight tacks each side, hammered in up and under the flexible glass channel. For the reason mentioned above, it seems like these tacks were the method Packard used to get the headliner tight and held in place at the back of the car. The tacks go clear through the metal! I think they must have been fired from a gun. They look original, I doubt that the car was ever re-upholstered (but can't be certain about that).
Front retainer fits perfectly
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000060FrontpiecesfitAOK_zpsebee41b2.jpg"/></a>[/img]
Screw Holes line up OK for the Front retainer
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000061ScrewHolespresentandlineupwell_zps51bb9aa3.jpg"/></a>[/img]
Rail towards rear thins right down, no room to fit retainers?
[img width=450]<a href="http://s829.photobucket.com/user/Larry51_2009/media/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz218/Larry51_2009/Packard%20Project/Headliner%20and%20Retainers/P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo P1000067cannotseehowthiswouldfit_zps12a67a52.jpg"/></a>[/img]
If this was the correct Retainer there's no room to screw it onto roof rail
Seems like tacks were used instead?
Any ideas appreciated thanks.
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