Re: Packard Bikes
Posted by Leeedy On 2021/8/3 18:10:00
Staying with 1925 and more for the Schwinn worshippers out there... down on their knees in praise.
So... you like the 1925 Schwinn-Built Packard bicycle? Like that arch-bar design do ya?
I mentioned that some of those who are Iver Johnson fans might argue that the 1925 Schwinn-Built Packard you've just seen is an Iver Johnson. Of course it wasn't/isn't.
But just for anyone who might argue the point, here are images from original Iver Johnson literature from the NBHAA archive (which has almost every I-J catalogue from beginning to end).
By the way... WHO made Iver Johnson bicycles famous by winning loads of bicycle races on them at the turn of the 19th century? Why, the guy I mention in a couple of postings back from this one: a fellow named Major Taylor. Someone who Iver Johnson couldn't seem to remember when he was dying alone in dire poverty. The circles intersect, don't they?
I'll start off with an original 1907 Iver Johnson ad just to show you that this frame style was around for many years. Of course there were numerous variations in the I-J arch bar frame over many models and many years. However, the arch bar frame with the tongue between the upper and lower bar is what we are pointing out here.
Oh... and hopefully the pointing feathered arrow in the 1907 Iver ad won't get one of the "Pierce-Arrow Bicycle" people started up again. As we have said many times... an arrow in an old ad with a bicycle does NOT make that bicycle a "Pierce-Arrow" (such as some of the outlandish arguments on THAT subject go!). No such thing as a "Pierce-Arrow" line of bicycles made by George N. Pierce or his descendent companies–no matter who wants to argue such silliness. Another never-ending debate– no matter how much factual evidence I have produced to end it.
While over the years there have been what I call "Pierce-Arrow Pretenders" (labeled so by a bicycle shop in modern times)... the REAL original bicycles made by the George N. Pierce Company and Pierce Cycle Company were merely known as "Pierce" bicycles–no "Arrow." Only the car line was known as "Pierce-Arrow." Yesssssssss, the logo for Pierce Cycle Company was the word "PIERCE" overlaid on a feathered arrow (which is the silly argument that "Pierce-Arrow bicycle" conspiracists chose to use in arguments). BUT... the name of the company was "PIERCE CYCLE COMPANY" and both that name and the name on their catalogues was simply "PIERCE" and NOT "Pierce-Arrow" (and NBHAA has most Pierce Cycle catalogues too).
Now. Next image below is a Patent Features page from the original 1925 Iver Johnson dealerbook. Note the frame design... and the fact that it was patented. Hmmmm.
Finally, an image of the 1925 Iver Johnson Model 87 "Truss Bridge Roadster" from the 1925 I-J dealerbook. Look familiar, huh?
Attach file:
I-J1907AdvWM.jpeg (335.38 KB)
I-J1925DealerbookPatentFeatures.jpeg (189.67 KB)
I-J1925Model87WM.jpeg (272.78 KB)
So... you like the 1925 Schwinn-Built Packard bicycle? Like that arch-bar design do ya?
I mentioned that some of those who are Iver Johnson fans might argue that the 1925 Schwinn-Built Packard you've just seen is an Iver Johnson. Of course it wasn't/isn't.
But just for anyone who might argue the point, here are images from original Iver Johnson literature from the NBHAA archive (which has almost every I-J catalogue from beginning to end).
By the way... WHO made Iver Johnson bicycles famous by winning loads of bicycle races on them at the turn of the 19th century? Why, the guy I mention in a couple of postings back from this one: a fellow named Major Taylor. Someone who Iver Johnson couldn't seem to remember when he was dying alone in dire poverty. The circles intersect, don't they?
I'll start off with an original 1907 Iver Johnson ad just to show you that this frame style was around for many years. Of course there were numerous variations in the I-J arch bar frame over many models and many years. However, the arch bar frame with the tongue between the upper and lower bar is what we are pointing out here.
Oh... and hopefully the pointing feathered arrow in the 1907 Iver ad won't get one of the "Pierce-Arrow Bicycle" people started up again. As we have said many times... an arrow in an old ad with a bicycle does NOT make that bicycle a "Pierce-Arrow" (such as some of the outlandish arguments on THAT subject go!). No such thing as a "Pierce-Arrow" line of bicycles made by George N. Pierce or his descendent companies–no matter who wants to argue such silliness. Another never-ending debate– no matter how much factual evidence I have produced to end it.
While over the years there have been what I call "Pierce-Arrow Pretenders" (labeled so by a bicycle shop in modern times)... the REAL original bicycles made by the George N. Pierce Company and Pierce Cycle Company were merely known as "Pierce" bicycles–no "Arrow." Only the car line was known as "Pierce-Arrow." Yesssssssss, the logo for Pierce Cycle Company was the word "PIERCE" overlaid on a feathered arrow (which is the silly argument that "Pierce-Arrow bicycle" conspiracists chose to use in arguments). BUT... the name of the company was "PIERCE CYCLE COMPANY" and both that name and the name on their catalogues was simply "PIERCE" and NOT "Pierce-Arrow" (and NBHAA has most Pierce Cycle catalogues too).
Now. Next image below is a Patent Features page from the original 1925 Iver Johnson dealerbook. Note the frame design... and the fact that it was patented. Hmmmm.
Finally, an image of the 1925 Iver Johnson Model 87 "Truss Bridge Roadster" from the 1925 I-J dealerbook. Look familiar, huh?
Attach file:
I-J1907AdvWM.jpeg (335.38 KB)
I-J1925DealerbookPatentFeatures.jpeg (189.67 KB)
I-J1925Model87WM.jpeg (272.78 KB)
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