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Re: Packard takes a swim
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I can back up both my cars under power with the parking brake on, but I can't get either to move forward under power with it on.

Very much too bad. Assuming he did set the emergency brake, maybe he needs to follow the procedure Ross suggests when adjusting his brakes. I think the one on Amelia island was an earlier model. Either it rolled off a trailer or was parked on an incline but it did find a lake.

As to being able to move with emergency brake on in reverse, that describes perfectly the joys of the self energizing Bendix brake system. One of the selling points Packard mentioned is forward rotation causes the primary shoe to rotate slightly pushing the secondary hard against the anchor and causing it to wedge against the drum more tightly thus increasing braking force. You would think it would work in the opposite direction with the primary shoe against the anchor and wedging the drum but I can assure you it does not.

Let me just say you have not had excitement in your life until you are riding in a car with a BTV and engine stalls while you are out for a leisurely drive going up a mountain road. A friend was driving and when the engine quit and car started rolling back he was pushing with all his might -- literally standing on the pedal and he was not a small man. The car barely slowed down as it rolled backwards. If there had not been a mountain on one side he could steer into I have no doubts we would have quickly seen the bottom of a canyon up close.

Posted on: 4/11 15:49
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Re: Packard takes a swim
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Yes, and I suppose the question can also be asked of why you would take pictures on a boat ramp of all places...


I've seen a few pictures of cars on boat ramps....early morning/late evening with glassy water in the background does make a nice pic. But not at the risk of losing the car into the water.

I can't imagine all the areas that rust could pop up now. Everything inside the body panels was essentially unpainted steel, correct? Lots of potential for surface rust in places you can't get to. But I guess at least it wasn't a wood-bodied car.

Posted on: 4/11 15:36
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Re: looking for carter wcfb
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humanpotatohybrid
What are the numbers on the metering rods?

Posted on: 4/11 15:31
'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.
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Re: Packard takes a swim
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Yes, and I suppose the question can also be asked of why you would take pictures on a boat ramp of all places...

Posted on: 4/11 15:30
'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.
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Re: Light Bulb Designation, Vendors that Sell
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The 23rd series 49-50 cars were the first Packards to share the same rear bulb filament for brakes and turnsignals.


All my 1940 Packard 110s and 1941 Henney-Packard 120 used the same element for turn signals and brake light. Granted that turn signals did not come with the 1940 but it was fully wired for it both front and rear so the front fender lights were also dual element.


Front park and turn signal did share the same bulb but used separate filaments. Power from either the turn signal sw or parking light could go to the same bulb. The 40 and 41 wiring diagrams show the wires to the large filament taped off but present for further use.

Prewar factory turn signal installs used the same 3 wire turn signal switch as did models thru the 22nd series. That switch is simply a single pole double throw switch so has no provision for separating voltage coming from the turn signal sw or the brake light sw. With brakes applied and both rear bulb filaments in parallel, if the turn signal was trying to flash one side, the solid on brake light power would take precedence and light both bulbs so flashing would not be seen. A separate bulb is needed in the rear for turn signals in cars thru the 22nd series and there are one and two bulb housings -- at least for the Clippers and 22nd series. Wiring shows senior 41 models might have the rear turn signal wire provision and there are different housings listed but my wire diagram is too poor a quality to follow path and see where the wires end.

In the 23rd series they went to a 6 wire switch which was the same one used thru 54. When you move the lever on that switch, turn signal flasher is connected to both front and rear bulbs which start flashing while the brake light is disconnected from the side that needs to flash and is sent only to the other side thus lighting a single bulb. By disconnecting the brake light signal a single filament can be shared.

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Posted on: 4/11 15:24
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Re: looking for carter wcfb
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yes i add picture whit other numbers thank you

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Posted on: 4/11 15:10
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Re: LED brake light/turn signal bar
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I have been thinking about doing LEDs, and this makes me think about it harder!

Sorry your baby got whacked, but hopefully all works out and she's fixed up better than before. Fingers crossed the damage didn't travel through the body, or mess up the frame. Keep us posted!

Posted on: 4/11 15:07
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ahah yes i love chevy, but i like all cars.
I m Italian but i live in Poland

Posted on: 4/11 15:04
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Re: Packard takes a swim
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The pics make it appear it went in hood first. I know at least on both my cars, the parking brake is far more effective when pointed down a hill, vs up a hill.

I can back up both my cars under power with the parking brake on, but I can't get either to move forward under power with it on. While the '54 isn't prone to rolling because of the Ultramatic parking pawl, I ensure the '37 has both the brake on and is in gear when parked.

Posted on: 4/11 14:50
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Re: Packard takes a swim
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I would love to see where that happened and the photos but unfortunately The Mercury News requires a subscription to view.


https://archive.is/DqQIb

Will take a lot of TLC but you could probably bring it completely back. EVERYTHING upholstery would need a thorough steam cleaning; all electrical components would need inspected for corrosion. The drivetrain is self-explanatory, but as long as you drain all the fluids and, say, take the heads off so you know the engine is completely drained of water, it really shouldn't be TOO bad considering how bad it looks.

Remember that even modern cars are often resurrected from flood damage, mostly with electrical/rust problems more than, say, drivetrain.

Posted on: 4/11 14:39
'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.
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