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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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I remembered yesterday that I had 5 or so extra caps in the truck of my Clipper project. Went to check 'em out, and they're all the smooth lip with the 16 teeth.

Out of the spares I had, I was able to find two decent ones to make a complete set for the Convertible.

It seems as though the smooth lip variant is the more common of the two. I'm still curious as to what the stepped version came off of though.

-Chris

Posted on: 6/15 12:08
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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longjohn wrote:
I had one of the 8 tooth "step" type on my Cavalier and it kept rotating slightly on the wheel. I was afraid it would cut the valve stem. I tried prying the teeth so they would grip better but I was never successful in preventing it from slipping.


That's interesting. So maybe the ones with 16 teeth are the revised ones due to this issue. I sure wish some of mine had part numbers on 'em.


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PackardDon wrote:
You can read about Safety Rims here but I can’t see how they could account for the difference in wheel cover design. It was more likely just a running change in details but I am curious now which types mine are! I have a good set on my 1954 Patrician and also an NOS set.


Thanks for that link Don. Let us know which ones you have, I'm very curious as well!

-Chris

Posted on: 6/15 11:58
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Re: Parts Book Questions: Mayfair 300 and Henney
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HH56 wrote:
If you go by other styling and mechanical cues that designated a junior or senior model, IMO while they did upgrade some items to bring them closer to senior, they would still be more like juniors because they had the 5 main engine and vertical tail lights used on the other junior models.

It wasn't until 54 that Packard went all out to make those models senior. Even though still crippled with the short wheelbase, they gave them the largest engine available, grafted on chrome pieces so they could accept the horizontal tail lights long used on the senior models and the same dash as used on the Patricians.


While I agree that they definitely made a hard attempt to make the 54 models look more like the existing Senior cars, there does seem to be a decent amount of evidence that Nance did in fact change them to Senior cars for 53.

It's my understanding that the book I referenced above is very well respected in the Packard community.

Are you suggesting that the book and related documents are wrong just because they don't look like Senior cars?

-Chris

Posted on: 6/14 18:38
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Re: Parts Book Questions: Mayfair 300 and Henney
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I'm bumping this because I found some interesting info regarding the 300 Convertible Coupe.

I found this website: https://www.popularrestorations.com/Restorations/Restoration014.htm

Here is a quote from it "Nance also declared that the 1953 models would have easily identifiable names and not numbers. The 200s, 300s, and 400s were to become Clippers, Cavaliers, and Patricians, respectively. Up to this point the 250s (the Mayfair 2-door Hardtop, the Caribbean 2-door Convertible, and the 2-door Convertible) had been considered “Junior” cars along with the Clippers. But, according to Beverly Rae Kimes Packard: A History of the Motor Car and the Company, Nance officially upgraded their designation to Senior Cars. As a result, the 250s became 300s and the 2-door Convertible became known as the 1953 Packard 300 Convertible Coupe."

It goes on to say "Evidence of this change is borne out in the Packard 22nd Thru 54th Series Parts List 1948-1954, dated January, 1954.", and references this image

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Also, I have found the attached image while looking up 1953 model information.

The PO of my car was also under the impression that it was called the 300 Convertible Coupe. He owned the vehicle for 40 years and every receipt or document I have regarding the car refers to it as such.

Can we all agree that by 53, the Mayfair and Convertibles were in fact 300 Senior cars?

-Chris

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Posted on: 6/14 15:08
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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PackardDon wrote:
The “hub cap” site is interesting although only the first few are actually hub caps. The rest are wheel covers and a quick glance easily spotted errors so it is to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy.

To the matter at hand, I wonder if it has anything to do with the new Safety Rims that appeared around then.


I haven't even heard of Safety Rims before. What are they?

So, I talked to a Packard buddy of mine that's been playing with these cars for probably 30+ years. He said the the smooth ones with the 16 mounting teeth are the correct ones for my car.

After looking through google images, every single 53 Convertible has the smooth ones that I just mentioned.

Now I just need to score two more matching smooth ones. I'm still curious as to what the stepped ones are from.

-Chris

Posted on: 6/14 13:56
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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Hey fellas!

Sorry for the late reply.


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kevinpackard wrote:
No problem Chris. Yes, these are Junior hubcaps so the Seniors may be totally different. I have no idea.

Hope you get an answer!

-Kevin


Yeah, I'm not sure either! Hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this!


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Ozstatman wrote:
Does the Packard Hub Cap and Wheel Cover Identification Guide in the Literature Archive here on Site help?


That hubcap guide is pretty cool, I didn't even know it existed. Unfortunately, it doesn't really help much in this situation because the caps looks almost identical and the images in the guide are of such low quality.


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PackardDon wrote:
The senior cars, as stated, had full wheel covers which were also available as an accessory on yours. For your 1953 Convertible, the Packard Parts Book shows same wheel cover was used on various models since 1951 but, as you did not show any photos of the whole thing, it's difficult to see exactly what you have from such close-ups.

I suspect that they were just made by different manufacturers using slightly different techniques as no other years or models used them or anything like them. I would just pick the best set and install them!


Sorry about not posting better pictures earlier. I have one attached to this post now. Hopefully it helps.


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longjohn wrote:
Well, Chris, you are more observant than I am. I have several of each kind. I had never noticed they were different on the front.

I had noticed a difference on the back. The "smooth" ones have 16 mounting "teeth" on the rear. The "stepped" ones have 8 mounting "teeth".

I even have a NOS set of the smooth ones but no part number to be found!


Haha. You're also very observant! I hadn't noticed that but I just checked and you're right. Mine are 16 and 8 just like yours!

Yup, no part numbers on any of 'em. So weird.

I wonder if the ones with more teeth are a revised version to stop them from coming off on accident.


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PackardDon wrote:
Based on the super close-up photos, I thought these were the small type of wheel covers that mounted over nubs on the wheel but apparently they are the full cover type. If so, then the same were used for 1951 and 1953-1954. 1952 had a type with ribs on some models and 1951 offered the same covers but with Cloisonné emblems at the center for certain models. I have an NOS set of the full covers too (along with a couple with Cloisonné) but they are at my Oregon shop and I never noticed the difference you mentioned. However, as I suggested, it may be only a simple matter of one manufacturer over another.


It's just weird though, you'd think they would still be stamped to the same specs across different manufactures. Especially for a cosmetic item such as these.



Thanks for all the help fellas,

-Chris

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Posted on: 6/14 11:56
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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kevinpackard wrote:
Here's what mine are like. These are from a '54 Panama. I think they would be the same as '53. I also have no way to tell if these are original, but I would assume so since everything else on the car is.

-Kevin


Thanks Kevin. I wonder if they varied on wheel size though. Your Panama has 7.60x15 rims, while mine came with 8.00x15 rims.

Does anyone have a senior car that they can take closeup hubcap pictures of?

Thanks again Kevin.

-Chris

Posted on: 6/9 16:17
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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Posted on: 6/9 10:11
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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PackardDon wrote:
Do they both appear to be stainless? A 1953 Clipper that I once owned had a set of very rusty wheel covers while the replacements were stainless and could not have rusted. I suspect the rusty set had Korean War Chrome over steel, which was typically 1952, but I did not notice any subtle difference in manufacturing such as you showed so if you can determine if one of yours is steel and the other stainless it may provide a clue.


I'm not totally sure to be honest. One set does, and the other set kind of doesn't. None of them have any signs of rust though, so they may all be Stainless.

-Chris

Posted on: 6/8 14:53
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Re: Which hubcaps for a 53 convertible coupe?
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Hey Don,

None of these have part numbers on 'em unfortunately.

-Chris

Posted on: 6/8 12:59
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