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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Thank you for that information. I have sourced a pulley and I am going to start talks on trying to get it shipped here.

Other work this weekend included getting the compressor bracket on and the oil filter housing relocated. I need to make up one more oil line and that can be done.

I got the brakes finished up with new wheel cylinders. All the brake lines are now connected.

I repacked the front wheel bearings and noticed I need new inner seals. I also noticed the drivers side outer bearing race is sliding in the hub... that is not good. However I was toying with the idea of going disc brakes up front and a dual chamber master cylinder. I would feel better with those modifications given my intended useage. but still have plenty of research to do on that.

I was able to paint and install the lower bellhousing as well.

Posted on: 4/11 11:13
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Re: 56 Caribbean Convertible Rejuvenation
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I got a mechanical switch from the packard parts store and was able to get the brake lights working, but the automatic level feature on the suspension still doesnt work. I also noticed that manual override switch does not work any more, it was working intermittently. I am guessing there is a ground issue with the manual switch that may prevent the whole system from working. I do not know for sure since I do not know how that override switch is wired up.

I checked the fluids in the car and after a couple cranks the car did start up. oil pressure, and temp work well and register as normal on the gauges. I started it in park (which I wasnt able to do) but I also noticed that it would not go into high range when I selected "H". I know the shift motor was rebuilt, and a new harness was installed. I am guessing there is an adjustment issue with the motor.

I still dont feel comfortable driving it, but the decision was made and it will be going to Ross Miller to have him go over the mechanicals and electricals to see what other work needs done. Right now it is just waiting on him and a roll back.

Posted on: 4/11 11:07
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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HH56 wrote:
My comments on pulleys are by observation but there could be errors if a car had been modified somewhere along the line. If Leeedy sees this he might have some better or more definitive information

The fan and generator pulley is on all cars and that first groove is part of the damper and not removable. If the car had power steering only there is the stamped steel pulley that just slips inside the damper cavity and keys to the damper for the second groove.

For cars with AC there can be one of two types of pulleys. Aftermarket mfgs such as ARA who made the trunk unit which was so common and for whatever reason frequently is called factory (which it is not) had their own slightly smaller single groove cast pulley and it just went into the standard stamped steel PS pulley for the third groove in a fully optioned car. I believe later 56 cars made toward the very end with factory AC also used this setup based on what has been found on some engines in late cars with factory AC-- but I have no proof of that. Something similar may have also been used if the car had AC but no PS. This single groove pulley was also repro'd by a member of the Stude club a few years back.

If the 55 and most 56 cars had both PS and AC, the stamped steel PS pulley was replaced by a two groove cast iron pulley with the two different diameter grooves. It too just slips inside the vibration damper for the total of 3 grooves. Spacers and different length bolts to the crankshaft was used, depending on the pulley combination, on all engines for a solid attachment.

In your situation the aux pulleys should pull out with little effort. If not, I suspect someone has done something odd.


Thank you for that… yea that’s my issue the front two pulleys that you said is cast isn’t able to be removed… so any idea on where to get that double groove pulley? Or the member who reproed that pulley?

Thank you

Posted on: 4/9 19:57
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Posted on: 4/9 18:05
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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So I went back to my folks this weekend to get some work done on the patrician and ran into some issues. Biggest being the pulleys on the balancer.

so the balancer that was on the engine only had the pulley for the power steering. I had a separate balancer that had all 3 pulleys on it, so I figured I would just swap the balancers...

so i removed the crank shaft nut and noticed that the power steering pulley just came off the one that was on the car. However the 2 additional pulleys on the other balancer was not capable of being removed. No matter how much banging, pullers I used it did not want to separate. The last puller I used ended up braking one of the pulleys.

am I doing something wrong? Do I have the wrong part? according to the service manual the additional pulleys should be able to be separated, but these do not.

pictures to follow

Posted on: 4/9 18:00
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Re: PackardDon
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I am not planning on using some of the factory A/C components on my build. I am trying to modernize the system a little bit.

Do you have pictures of what you need? I cant guarantee what I have is even functional.

Posted on: 4/5 9:14
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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So I am looking at working on the generator and starter(s) for this car. The generator is the proper Delco unit for a 56 and was just going to get the rebuild kit from Kanter, unless anyone has another source to use?

but when it comes to the starters:

I have a 55 delco starter. being that 55 was positive ground and the 56 negative ground. Would the 55 delco starter work on this car? Would I have to do any different wiring to get it to work? Again I would probably get the rebuild kit from Kanter unless anyone has another source for parts?

The next I have is a 56 autolite starter. I believe both types of starters would bolt up and function fine. But is there any concerns with using an autolite on a packard since they were meant for the clippers? I believe some wires have to be rearranged from what I read on here.


Either way I would like to have 2 starters rebuilt and working so I have one functioning spare for two cars.

thanks

Posted on: 3/31 12:32
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Thanks Howard!

So I got the relay apart. The one contact broke at the rivets that went to the solenoid and ignition. I took pictures with that broken piece in place and the under side of the relay.

Any idea on how to wire up a modern relay to this? Would it be a SPST?

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Posted on: 3/25 19:36
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Good to know about the relay! I will definately look into using a modern cube relay. Would probably need help wiring that up.

and there is an arrow indicated on the valve body.

did I orient that wrong?

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Posted on: 3/25 16:11
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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This past weekend I got some help (thanks for coming Ryan!) and got more parts put onto the Patrician. I was able to install the Evap box. So I couldn’t fit the expansion valve through the firewall, didn’t even try, so I assembled the box while it hung on the fire wall. Wasn’t to bad. With that installed we were able to install the dash board, and boy does that look nice!


Since the dash board was assembled with the wiring prior the harness was fed through the firewall and we started to hook up some electrical connections. Installed some components on the fire wall like the ignition ballast and headlight dimmer switch. I also wanted to get some linkages installed so I also installed the column. The shift rods are in place, just need to be adjusted. Throttle linkage that attaches to the firewall is installed. The clutch linkage is in place but I misplaced some of the C clips that secured it to the frame rail and mount, so I ordered some new ones with hopes of getting that linkage set up. I got the speedo cable cleaned, greased and installed, got the governor installed, and the O/D cable installed but still need to connect that to the trans. I also swapped the chrome valve covers back onto the Caribbean and put the painted ones on here.

Moving along nicely!

One of the items I wanted to install on the firewall is the O/D relay for the 3 speed trans. It rattles when you shake it. Is that suppose to happen? Or do I have an issue and need to disassemble that?

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Posted on: 3/25 15:13
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