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Yes, I will check the flow as soon as I get the engine running. I know this. The original 40 356 was replaced with a 120 engine from a sedan I was given. At the time, I didn't know there was a difference until the mechanics called and said a connection was too short. They compensated somehow and the car ran for 5 or 6 years before I got the 48 356. So many if not all the peripheral parts on the 120 engine, such as the oil filter, would have gone away with the 120 engine. I can check if the 120 oil filter is the same as the 160, but I don't think it is (because I'd probably have a spare oil filter).
So we have a 48-49 356 and a 48-49 356 oil filter. As you, BdeB, point out, the flow should be out the bottom of the canister and into the crankcase. I know how you would all love it if I got a Texas gusher in my face checking the flow direction by disconnecting at the bottom of the canister, starting the engine, and seeing if the oil comes out the bottom of the canister OR up the spout. My luck is oil will come out of both. If I think about it for 2-3 days I might come up with a better way, but I am sure, as sure as I know a good melon, that someone can suggest a better way. JW I will check the casting date to confirm year. Yikes, I just checked those pictures of my oil set up and that illustration on Page 3 of this thread. The top is set up as the outlet, unlike the pictures of cortcomp and JW setups shown on Page 4. So it looks like I DO have it backwards. Thanks for mentioning, BdeB. Of course, I'd still like to check it.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 13:19
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Thanks, BDeB. The plot and the oil, perhaps, thickens.
Block number is G6068180, which makes it a '48-49 356.
Posted on: 2010/12/30 10:04
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I'll check the engine number when I get home to determine the year made. I'm guessing 1950, and yes, Custom 8. That was the last year for the 356 and whatever improvements, like replacement of the jiggle pin, would have been made...and practically rebuilding (for me) the engine won't be necessary. The rigmarole plumbing probably isn't necessary, but now I think I'll keep it as a conversation piece!
I was treated to a great birthday lunch complete with a fine pinot noir and a chocolate sundae. I feel like heading home now. Thanks again, Brian, JW, and Howard.
Posted on: 2010/12/29 17:07
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Thanks, Howard.
I haven't been able to access or download Service (L or C?) files from the links Brian provided above. I can see that they are in an SC folder, but my browser can't find the page. What I have at home is a multiyear book of service letters. (I put it out, then forgot to put it in the car,so don't have it at work.) However, judging by the greasy fingermarks on Motor section Page 55 of my book, this is the page we followed, a 1941 letter on Noisy Tappets on 18 and 19 series cars; not page 57, as I originally thought. Page 55 has the same illustration as 57, but the drilling is on the oil filter fixture. Page 57 has drilling into the block for the crankcase nipple. Since this is a later engine it probably had a hole with a plug that we could remove and the nipple for the crankcase without drilling. All my gauges have been restored by Bruce Abbott. The oil pressure reading and the lack of clicking noises will set my mind at ease over this. I am reading the oil pressure restriction thread. I'll "get" it. Joe
Posted on: 2010/12/29 14:41
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Cortcomp and JW
Guys, those set ups are WAY too neat. hoho And what's that vertical disc in the line? I have an inkling that we drilled out the hole in one of those connectors. I have to go back and read the instructions which I can't do from here. Have you every lived in a place with not enough outlets? What we did would look normal, if you had. Joe
Posted on: 2010/12/29 11:08
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JW,
Unfortunately the original engine is gone, removed and replaced with a 120 engine in 1966. In the early 70s I got this 356 from a later model. Packards friends at the time said it was the same as a '40. Same has levels of meaning. I found the oil filler tube and cap at a swap meet completely rusted together, but recognized them from the original. The water spout (cylinder ventilator outlet) was another item because the one on the engine pointed to the side instead of straight ahead. The coil managed to stay with the car because the ignition is hard wired to it. I'd be interested in seeing that illustration, or just a picture of your '42 engine oil plumbing. It appears from the Service notes that the problem was solved on the '41s somehow. The thing is, if the setup I have, which is right for an updated '40 356 needing reduced tappet noise according to the Service manual notes above, accomplishes the same effect as the '41 or '42 fitting, then I think I will leave it. I may change my mind once I get the engine running again. Happy Birthday to me, Joe
Posted on: 2010/12/29 10:52
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Thanks, Brian. Yes, that article is on page 57 of the Motor section of the service manual. Thanks for compiling info. A big job, but very helpful.
Tonight I also reacquainted myself with the wiring and linkage in preparation for starting up the motor. Joe
Posted on: 2010/12/29 1:17
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The factory screwed up and sent us parts that don't match their diagram. It wouldn't be the first time. Detroit thinks Portland is out with the covered wagons. We did the best we could.
Posted on: 2010/12/28 20:58
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JW-
It is different. It seems we may have had difficulty getting exactly the right fittings. I think this was a change to improve flow to the lifters from the original set up. There was a Service Manual note about this and I believe this is the revised set up recommended. I hope so anyway. I'll take a photo of it and a better photo of my engine and we'll see if we did it right. The fellow who supervised it, Jim Classen, passed away but he is featured on the Oregon Packards homepagehttp://www.packardsoforegon.com/ and very knowledgeable esp on Packard engines. Tonight I'll see if I can find the picture of what we were supposed to do. Thanks for noticing. This engine is out of a 48 or 50 Custom 8. I have a 40 356 engine to restore and hold in reserve when the Duchess is done, but I have dreams of driving a lot on this engine when I'm finished with the car. It will be my out when the purists come tail-pipe peeping. Joe
Posted on: 2010/12/28 19:34
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