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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Remind us what transmission you have again? The R700 conversion?

Do you have the mechanical pump? If you slowly go from steady power to intermittent bursts, that sounds like it could match to how the mechanical pump delivers fuel. In that case, is your fuel filter clean? The ceramic filters don't really look dirty, they just need cleaned periodically. The fuel pump was designed to always try to deliver much more fuel than needed to prevent this situation.

What's your fuel level like when this happens? Full, or less than 1/2 a tank? Have you checked the fuel tank condition? (I don't remember if you did) Sometimes the internal fuel line in the tank gets a pinhole at the ½ or ¼ full point causing a variety of expected issues only at low fuel levels.


I believe it is the T-89 3 speed with the R11 over drive? Its the packard 3 speed.

I believe the filter is clean... if not, how do I clean it? The fuel pump is a mechanical one. It was originally for a 55-57 T-bird (as suggested by Ross). The fuel system is above "half" as indicated by the fuel gauge. The fuel tank is new. the metal and rubber hoses on the system are all new.

so you think it is fuel related? I was kind of thinking the ignition was cutting out due to the overdrive wanting to go in. But Ill see if heat from the exhaust is causing problems, and look for leaks.

Posted on: 2023/10/30 14:15
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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So this past week I ripped off the band aid and took this thing to work. It handed the roads and traffic well. Had it all out and about. Put about 270 miles on it so far and its running well. Got most of the interior together finally and looks really nice! didnt get a picture of the interior yet.

So one thing I did notice while driving. When doing hard pulls in 2 or third gear around 40-60 mph the car starts to nudge a little bit. if you keep your foot in it, it starts to buck. I dont hear a misfire or anything. I have not done this when the over drive was engaged (at least I dont think so), but did it with the dash knob pushed in and pulled out. Does this sound like an ignition problem? or a clutch or fuel problem? I know the over drive kicks off the ignition for it to go into overdrive, but I dont believe the electronics of the overdrive are turned off when shut off knob is pulled out. so maybe it is the overdrive that is causing this?

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Posted on: 2023/10/27 16:04
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Re: Resurrecting my 56’ Patrician
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When it comes to interior fabric it really depends on how much money you want to blow compared to how original you want it too look. SMS will match your factory fabric perfectly, but as it was stated, it takes years for them to deliver. It took two years to get the seat covers to my door from when I initially ordered them back in 2021 and they are not cheap. If your okay with it not using the stock fabrics you can take it to really any good upholsterer and have them match the pattern in what ever fabric or color you want.

Tuning a car with a vacuum gauge is a good way to go, but I have struggled with using that method in the past. I try to tune the carb with a tach and use the vacuum gauge as a back up. With your timing set (I believe Ross states 10 BTDC is what is best) you can set your idle fuel mixture by adjusting the screws at the base of the front of the carb. You are correct in adjusting them in small measurements at a time. What your looking for is screwing them out until you see the idle speed stop increasing, then back them "in" just before it starts to go back down again. in order to do this you may have to make smaller turns like an 1/8 or so.

Given the amount and size of the passages in a carb, I feel the best way to clean it is with an ultrasonic cleaner. People have plenty of opinions on what to use in an ultrasonic cleaner but I have found the purple Simple Green stuff mixed at a 1:1 does a pretty good job and doesnt discolor the aluminum/pot metal. Rebuilding a carb isnt too bad, but a lot of damage can be done depending on how much varnish has been left in there over the years. I have had carbs from the 60s/70s be complete junk because the jets were essentially welded in. There are instructions online on how to rebuild these Rochesters, but if you are too concerned, there are people who rebuild them and have been mentioned above. I use rebuild kits from Mikes Carbs.

Posted on: 2023/10/20 8:46
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in the trunk area specifically they used a specific round speednut with a foam washer behind it for weatherproofing. Obviously you don't have to replicate this setup unless you are regularly exposing the car to torrential downpours with your most prized possessions in the trunk.


so just speed nuts then? I have access to the backsides of all the panels that it shouldnt be a problem

Posted on: 2023/10/13 11:23
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Looking through my check list. What is needed to secure the Packard script along the side and rear of the vehicle? Are they trim nuts? Or some type of push nut?

Thanks

Posted on: 2023/10/12 17:43
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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Marvin wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. You mention overdrive, I have not yet had the pleasure of driving my 56 Patrician, but hopefully soon. I am assuming the H button on the push button selector is overdrive. If this is correct, do you push it at a stop position or while driving? And your dash pad looks great. Mine not so much. Is it original or a replacement?


Thank you, it is a replacement. I had it recovered by a company in California. It took a couple months for them to complete the work.

Now if you decide to go that route, it is a PAIN to do. The dash board has to come out and then be separated (some say they could separate the dash with it in place, but I dont have the patience for that). To remove the dash board you either need to disconnect all the wires that are attached to it, or disconnect all the wires in the engine bay and pull the harness through the firewall. Either is not fun.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 11:59
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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HH56 wrote:
Which yellow wire are you referring to as not having power? If it is the one on the ballast resistor terminal where the orange wire from OD relay connects, that should have power whenever the key is in the right or run position. The wire is fed directly from the IGN terminal of the ign switch via a splice connection. One spliced wire goes to the resistor and the other spliced in wire to the fuse block for the instrument cluster and maybe a couple of other items.

If it is the yellow wire that went to the old relay TH SW terminal, that would be ground side with ground supplied thru the governor when car reaches speed. If the inline connectors are good that only leaves the kickdown sw and the governor itself as the issue.

In testing the yellow ground wire side, you should be able to put one voltmeter lead on ground, and use the other lead to check each side of every terminal and connector in the yellow wire string. As long as the governor contact is not closed and connected to ground and voltage from the orange wire is feeding thru the relay coil, voltage should be able to be measured at every connection point down to the governor. As soon as the governor supplies a ground thru its contacts then the voltage in the string will go away and relay would energize. If there is voltage on one side of something but not the other that item is the problem.

On the governor itself, make sure all the mounting screws are tight. One of those that holds the plastic bottom to the body must be making good contact with the metal strap on the plastic bottom. That screw and strap is what supplies ground to the contacts.


thank you for that. I will go through all the connections and make sure they are tight.

I did take the car out again last night for a 50 mile run. Basically the route I would take to work to see how the car would handle it in non rush hour traffic. it did do well! During this run I was on a straight away long enough in a tunnel to watch the tach, and it does appear that the car does go into over drive! I probably need to drive it more in day light to visually see the rpms but I was able to hit about 70 mph while the engine was turning 2,000 rpm. The trans did start to make a groawning noise at some points but as I increased speed it went away. I have a sneaking suspicion that it happens when I am in over drive and the engine rpms are too low. Ill just have to drive it more and find out.

Posted on: 2023/10/12 8:45
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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So last night after work I was able to get the relay in. I am still not getting power at the yellow wire, anytime I put the test light on it, now the solenoid clicks when I do so. Which I guess is the same as grounding the wire at the governor which according to the FSM says the solenoid should click.

I also did some adjustment to the clutch and shifter and tried to rotate the passenger mirror a little bit more so I could actually see out of it. Still not working to well. I may just cut some of the plastic bushing so I can rotate the mirror head more.

I wanted to get all of this done so I could take the car to downtown Pittsburgh to pick up the wife from the train station. The pick up went well, but I tried the O/D and I'm still not convinced it is working. The electrical stuff worked before I left and it appears that there is no change in engine rpm when the cable is pushed in or pulled out. I converted the clock into a tachometer and it appears at 50 mph I am still turning 2,000 rpms.

Now, sometimes last night if I was coasting in gear and I rolled onto the gas I could hear the engine increase in rpm and not actually accelerate. It eventually would "grab" and start to accelerate. I did not have this issue happen when the cable was pulled out.

I kind of figured there would be a big "ca-thunk" when it would go into over drive once you took your foot off the gas above 40 mph, am I mistaken? Over drive is .722 to 1 so I figured I would see some difference in RPM's, unless my tach is not that accurate. I think I heard some "clicking" happening when I would get below 30 mph like it was telling it to come out of over drive, but again, I didnt notice difference. Is it really that smooth? or do I have a solenoid or mechanical issue? or is the torque curve of this engine that great that it just doesnt care about the gear difference?

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Posted on: 2023/10/11 16:12
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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thank you for that. I got the relay converted to a new one. Im calling it a night (11:30 pm on a work night), ill test everything again tomorrow

Posted on: 2023/10/9 22:33
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Re: Vacation Car - 56 Patrician
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HH56 wrote:
Double check the wire colors but from one end of the ballast resistor there should be a green wire going to the solenoid and pink to the coil. Orange from OD and Yellow from ign sw would be at the other end.

It might also be a good idea to check the 4 pin plug and inline connector to make sure both are good.

The R11 relays are reproduced but are expensive. Several of the general vendors carry them, 5th Avenue Garage being one but a modern relay can be used by itself or some have said they gutted the old metal case and hid the new relay inside.

Using the old designations to new relay numbers, here is how terminals would connect.

IGN to 85
TH SW to 86
SOL to 87 Best would be a 4 terminal relay without 87a but if you use a 5 pin relay, 87a would be unused but would be hot when relay is relaxed. Make sure it cannot touch anything.
If gutting the old case the BAT thru fuse would connect to 30. If the new relay is standalone then you would need to add an inline fuseholder to replace the original fuse.


yes that is how the ballast is connected.

The connections at the plug and the wire connector are good.

the relay was damaged before and I put in screws where the rivets have failed. I did put in the spacers that the rivets held in place.

so there really is no way to repair this? or am I correct in my assessment that it is damaged and needs replaced?

Posted on: 2023/10/9 21:30
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