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Re: Pulling the valves

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Thank you for everyone helping me! This is such a great community! I got it sorted out and am making progress. Here are a couple fun videos I threw together so far:

Part 1

Part 2

Posted on: 2022/11/19 18:55

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1951 Packard 300

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Rockabilly

Re: Pulling the valves

#22

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JeromeSolberg wrote:
Tap the valve from the top with a rubber mallet. It should slide down with the keepers. Remember to plug the oil holes with a rag or something.

I already tried that and I can’t get the valve to come down. Guess I need to put my purse down and try again. 😂

Posted on: 2022/11/19 11:45

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Rockabilly

Pulling the valves

#23

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I’ve compressed the valve spring but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to get the keeper out. What am I missing? Resized Image

Posted on: 2022/11/19 10:03

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Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#24

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Thank you guys so very much for all of the info!!!

Posted on: 2022/11/14 8:23

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Rockabilly

Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#25

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I just went and downloaded/printed the service manuals in the literature archive. Wow, that is incredibly helpful. Any words of wisdom about getting the valves safely out of the engine without dropping anything into the oil pan would be appreciated. lol

Posted on: 2022/11/11 14:47

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Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

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JWL wrote:
The hydraulic lifters are in two parts: the tappets and the inner lifters. The tappets cannot be removed with the camshaft in the engine. The inner lifter parts should be able to be easily removed from the tappets once the valves are out. Hope this helps.

Any tips removing the valves?

Posted on: 2022/11/11 14:14

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Rockabilly

Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#27

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JWL wrote:
I seem to recall that there may have been a posting by Ross Miller (Speedwell Garage) on servicing and testing the hydraulic lifters. Perhaps someone here can point Rockabilly to it.

Thank you JWL! I have already watched that video several times as a matter of fact.

He has some fantastic videos. It was using a sweet contraption he created to test the lifters, but unfortunately I don't have a similar tool. I'd also love some input or direction on getting the valves/lifters out of the block without damaging them. Or really any direction from after the head is off to putting the head back on.

Posted on: 2022/11/11 13:39

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Rockabilly

Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#28

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PackardDon wrote:
I have ‘80s era reproductions in my 1954 Patrician but in other Packards I’ve had good experiences in simply disassembling, cleaning and testing the originals too so you might consider that first.

Will cleaning with gasoline and reassembling be adequate? I don't have a way/method to test them with any sort of accuracy. When reinstalling should I prime them with oil? Again, sorry for all of the questions, I've never dealt with hydraulic lifters before.

Posted on: 2022/11/11 13:22

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Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#29

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Well, I think I am just going to bite the bullet and replace the lifters all at once and discard the bad ones and hold onto the good ones just in case. I already purchased a gasket kit for the motor since anything that can leak oil is leaking oil. I'm going to pull the head and install these lifters:
eBay lifters. I have not purchased them yet in case there is a better option out there.

I purchased the spring compression tool mentioned earlier in this thread. Any tips or tricks once I have the heads off? This is the first flathead motor I will have gone this deep into with the intention of fixing, not turning into a glass top table or some other piece of art.

I really appreciate everyone's help and patience!

Posted on: 2022/11/11 12:57

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Re: 1951 300 ticking noise

#30

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JeromeSolberg wrote:
If it's a 300 you should I think have hydraulic lifters.

My experience is this is with a "ticking" hydraulic lifter. They wear out over time, or you may have issues with oil pressure. Sometimes a higher-viscosity oil (especially at temperature) helps, like 20w40.

Both Max Merrit and Kanter sell new (reproduction) lifters. Some people have had better luck than others in both figuring out which one(s) are ticking and in putting in a repro one that gets rid of the problem.

You get the right front of the car up on jack stands (helps to just have the whole thing up on ramps except for the right front on jack stands, then you can keep the car level), remove the right front wheel, then you can then remove the inner fender cover and then the valve covers.

You can then use a stethoscope to listen to the valve lifters. Put the stethoscope right onto each lifter, even though they are moving up and down.

To take the lifters out you have to take the head off, so you need a new head gasket too.

You need a flathead-style valve spring compressor. You can find them on Ebay

This is the style I used:

Flathead-Style Valve Spring Compressor, Jeep, Ford V-8

Ross has this nice video that shows how to adjust non-hydraulic lifters, but it also shows how to reach in there through the fender cover, etc.

Speedwell Garage, Ross Miller, how to adjust valves on a 1953 Packard w/ solid lifters

Thank you! I'll be getting it up in the air and setting my valve clearances when I get some time over the next couple of weeks. Hopefully combining a fresh oil change and adjusting the valves I'll be in good shape. If not, on to the next possible solution.

Posted on: 2022/11/3 9:57

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