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Re: AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Ross, I agree - completely non-essential. Yet if I were installing such a pump today thru the inner fender, I'd be tempted to rewire it, just because it's an interesting little original factory assembly detail that to some is worth the few minutes extra work just to preserve that detail.

Can anyone hear them arguing 40 years from now if the pump bolts were safety-wired?


I dunno OD, I'm only 61 so I plan on being here in 40 years to join that argument when they're debating about why the bolt heads have holes in them...

Posted on: 2013/9/19 7:31
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Re: AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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Fred Puhn wrote:
Gator, thanks for the help. I will try to use phenolic. The nylon is quite soft when heated.

I will dig into the fuel pump issue when I get all the parts collected. I gues I have to fabricate the insulating gasket. I wonder if they used paper gaskets also. A thick phenolic gasket is not likely to seal without some adhesive like RTV.


I believe the gaskets vary in thickness depending on who the provider is. I purchased my kit from Hal at Classic Preservation as well and the pump mounting gasket was included although it is paper and not very thick. It may have been HH again who took thickness readings on two different gaskets, one being an orginal Packard gasket which I believe measured .086 while the aftermarket gasket was .025. Then and Now may have something you can use...those folks are always helpful. Check the pump flange with a straight edge before you mount it Fred, you may need to remove the arm and true it up a tad.

http://www.maritimedragracing.com/then_and_now_automotive.htm

Posted on: 2013/9/17 15:01
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Re: AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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Fred, the service manual calls for the bolts to be lock wired so yes, the requirement is standard for Packard at least for the '51-'54 model years. As for thickness, I'm not sure what they are new but over the years they most likely lose some thickness from compression.

Found this earlier post from HH about the washers and sleeves. You could actually substitute nylon washers in place of the original fiber or phenolic washers.

From HH:
McMaster-Carrhttp://www.mcmaster.com/ has the washers Just search for phenolic washers. They also have a plastic sleeve material but not like the original. US Plastics carries that.http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item ... id=23765&clickid=redirect

Posted on: 2013/9/17 11:21
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Re: AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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I am also referring to the flange mounting holes but to clarify, I was only pointing out the difference in the fuel bowl depths as one of the minor differences in the two pumps. Sorry for the confusion.

Posted on: 2013/9/17 3:17
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Re: AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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JW wrote:
Interesting photos. I note that the AC pump has large bolt holes for the insulating sleeves, but the Blackstone pump does not. At least that's the way it looks to me.

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It just looks that way in the photo JW, the mounting holes on the Blackstone accept the same bushings as the AC. The Blackstone fuel bowl is a bit more shallow than the AC which makes the overall height about 1/4" shorter standing side by side.

Posted on: 2013/9/16 15:32
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AC/Blackstone Fuel Pumps
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I recently decided to acquire a few spare parts to keep on hand for both road trips and shelf stock and thought I would start with fuel pumps. The original AC pump on my car had been completely by-passed on the fuel side in favor of the common 6 volt electric pump but was still being utilized on the vacuum side for the windshield wipers. I didn't like the idea of depending entirely on the electric pump and decided to disassemble the mechanical pump for inspection. I found that it had suffered some corrosion damage at some point obviously from exposure to water in the fuel and most likely brought on from sitting up. Ironically, the pump appeared to have been rebuilt shortly before it was abandoned however I determined that the condition of the pump was too rough to rebuild and decided to look into rebuilding two other cores that I had on hand. One was an original AC pump and the other is a Blackstone which is basically an AC "knockoff" and actually takes the same rebuild kit as the AC. Included are a few photos of the AC pump during the rebuild stage. The others are comparison photos of the Blackstone pump on the left and the AC on the right. The Blackstone pumps are excellent pumps and in some ways are even superior to the AC.

Just want to add that with the exception of a couple of minor typo errors, the Fuel and Exhaust section of the '51-'54 Service Manual offers some excellent instructions for rebuilding the AC Fuel Pumps however under Pump Body Assembly on page 12, the instructions mistakenly make reference to the fuel "line" instead of fuel "link". This mistake occurs 3 times in the instructions for assembling the fuel pump arm so anyone following the instructions should be aware that wherever the word "line" occurs, the word "link" should be substituded.

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Posted on: 2013/9/16 12:43
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Re: Dave Czirr and his 34 Packard
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Well let me be the second to offer my congratulations as well OD. I've come across and read other well written contributions about Packards only to discover at the end that our own Dave Czirr was the author. You have a lot of knowledge and history about Packard Dave, both the car and the company and we appreciate your willingness to share it with us...congratulations again.

Posted on: 2013/9/12 15:07
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Re: Echlin VR-57 Voltage Regulator - apparently no longer available
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Don't mean to Hi-jack your post or the subject Jim but OD's right, it's getting to the point where parts to keep our cars going are disappearing and owning a fair weather classic that can remain garaged is becoming more and more of a luxury. You gotta admire those dedicated Cuban gentlemen who in spite of the lack of resources available to keep their beloved "American Classics" roadworthy, they somehow manage to be creative enough to do just that...and they do it very well.

Posted on: 2013/9/10 19:23
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Re: Website Info
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It's certainly a great site Big Kev...we'll be calling you Little Kev pretty soon if you keep up the current pace but I agree with all who have commented and can only say ...well done! I don't think anyone realizes that the effort you put into not only creating this site but maintaining it as well has probably done more to promote the "Packard Spirit" than any other single source on the internet...the Packard legend is alive and well at Packardinfo.com...

Posted on: 2013/9/10 19:03
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Re: Look! It's about the Packard CAR, not the Packard Plant!
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Yes...great article and video. Seems like Packard is destined to be both the symbol of American greatness...and unfortunately, failure...sad in every aspect.

Posted on: 2013/9/6 6:56
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