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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Owen, that's the one. Mr. Roberts and his wife were very helpful.

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/11/6 18:09
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Score! I found a reproduction water jacket made to OEM specs and it's on its way here. The folks at Max Merritt were very helpful. They did not have the water jacket in stock, but were kind enough to pass along the number to someone they knew who made them. I contacted the gentleman and his wife in California and they had one already to go (in steel), and it's going out tomorrow.

I talked to the mechanic helping us with the engine and he said the original water jacket is getting pretty thin in a few spots due to old corrosion so it's better to replace anyways.

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/11/6 16:53
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Thanks for the info both of you. I checked with Max Merritt and they are looking to see if they have one in stock. It's been a while since they've sold one so they don't know what the price is.

Just called Kanter and they're in the same situation. Not sure if they have it and no idea on the price.

If none of that works out, then those measurements you provided Bob will be very helpful if we need to make our own insert.

Posted on: 2019/11/6 11:16
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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We're gearing up to begin reassembly on the engine this weekend. The guy who has been doing the engine rebuild is gathering all the parts together in preparation. His shoulders are both bad so he won't be doing the work, just directing me on what to do.

He ran into a problem with the water jacket side of the engine. He thinks that this is the major reason why the engine overheated and cracked the block in the first place.

Inside this jacket is an insert:
<img src="https://rrxtmw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mTt ... t=660&cropmode=none" width="495" height="660" />

Which looks like this:
<img src="https://rrxumw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mxy ... t=660&cropmode=none" width="495" height="660" />

<img src="https://p7ylpq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mW7 ... t=660&cropmode=none" width="495" height="660" />

His concern is that this part doesn't seem to be "right". On other similar cars/engines he's found that this insert is much more detailed. The holes on this insert don't line up at all with the gap in the cylinder block between cylinders.

Any input on this?? I'm assuming this insert is not correct.

I'm also assuming we'll need to make a new one. Is there any sort of blueprint that lays out where the holes should be and what size?

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/11/5 21:16
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
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by Owen_Dyneto on 2019/10/18 14:32:16

You want an L-8, L-6 was only used in 1934; 1935-1939 seniors all used the L-8. They are essentially the same except for the configuration of the inlet and outlet.


Thanks Owen. I'll get the L-8 ordered!

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by Bob and Gail Supina on 2019/10/18 17:53:56

Kevinpackard....if your car has a green leather interior, it is the one restored by Jerry T. in Texas. I saw it at the Texas Packard Meet in Salado right after it was restored.


Bob, it's definitely that car!
<img src="https://obzsjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mi3 ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

<img src="https://olzbjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mBy ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

<img src="https://obztjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mnj ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

As a side note, I was able to attend Salado one of the years we lived in Texas, and had a great time. That was probably 10 years back. My folks came down to visit our little family one of those years, and dad saw the Packard was for sale. He went up to check it out and ended up buying it and shipping to Washington. It's a very clean car and seems to have been well-taken care of. The green interior was a little interesting at first, but it's grown on me. The wheel color and pinstripe are matched to it, which is a nice touch.

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by flackmaster on 2019/10/18 20:21:09

something looks funky about that filter to me...are you SURE that hasn't already been converted...in other words, try unscrewing it...the center lip no longer looks like the original folded seam.


The filter does not come apart. I tried again just for kicks. It certainly looks different than the R&A part...I'm assuming then that this filter I have isn't correct? The two halves appear to be pressed together....there is a raised portion on both sides of the junction like some sort of a pressure sleeve. The housing is metal, so I don't think it's the Burr Ripley unit (out of production, right?)

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/10/18 23:36
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Alright, we are getting close to having all the components ready to start reassembly...hopefully within the next two weeks.

Part of the equation is the oil filter. It looks like the previous owner had a NOS or repro Purolator on there:
<img src="https://olztjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m__ ... t=768&cropmode=none" width="1024" height="768" />

<img src="https://olzsjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m8y ... t=768&cropmode=none" width="1024" height="768" />

I have no idea how long this unit has been on there for or when the car was last serviced. The guy who did the engine rebuild said the oil pan was full of sludge. I've read on some forums that using a NOS oil filter can cause some issues because the paper inside can turn to mush and clog oil passageways. So our plan is to replace with a kit to allow a standard screw-on filter.

I understand that R&A is the only one offering a kit now?
http://ra-restorations.com/Oil_FIlters/OilFilters.html

What size is right for this car? L-6 or L-8?

Posted on: 2019/10/18 15:53
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
The car has been converted to 12V.

Still not sure on the maker of the overdrive. Gear Vendors? Borg Warner? Not sure.

Posted on: 2019/10/15 13:59
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Hi Peter - beautiful car. I love that color.

I'm not exactly sure where the overdrive came from, but I'm pretty sure it was an aftermarket kit, and not from a '39 Super 8. I would have to double check on that to be positive. It's been years since I've been around the car so a lot of these details are pretty foggy right now.

Whatever it is the car does cruise nicely on the freeway once the overdrive is engaged.

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/10/15 12:56
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Re: 1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
It does have A/C and it did come from Texas. It is likely the same car that you saw JW. I don't remember off the top of my head if it is 12V or 6V....I haven't been able to spend much time around it yet. I do know the A/C was an add-on kit that the previous owner installed. We've flipped it on once or twice, but just to test it out. I don't think we'll use it much.

Next time I get down to my dad's place I'll get some detail pictures of the A/C setup. And I'll confirm if it's 12V or 6V. I might try to head down there this weekend and get a start on the engine reassembly.

-Kevin

Posted on: 2019/10/15 0:20
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1938 Super 8 1605 - adventures with a newbie
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kevinpackard
Hi guys, I've been around these forums for years now but haven't had much to contribute, not having a Packard yet myself. My father bought a 1938 Super 8 about 6 years ago but lived halfway across the country. My family has since moved and now we are in the same general area and can both enjoy the Packard....if it was running.

<img src="https://obzcjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mOd ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

<img src="https://olzwjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mEk ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

About 5 years ago the car lost power and struggled just to hit 25 mph, with junk being blown out the exhaust. After some headscratching and crossing some problems off the list, it turned out to be a cracked block. A couple of the cylinders had lost all compression.

To make a long story short, the car has been without an engine for these five years. The original block was repaired by welding at a competent place, repainted, reinstalled, etc. We got about 20 miles on it before it cracked again. We then picked up a block from a '39 and had it prepped for the car. This one also cracked around the valve seats (they had attempted to press new modern seats in). After repair, going back to the original style valve seats, machining the block, boring the cylinders, new pistons, crankshaft bearing, etc, the engine is finally ready to put back together. This whole process took the better part of 2 years.

Unfortunately the guy we have doing the engine work had surgeries on both shoulders and can no longer finish the project. He knows his stuff and has been doing this for a very long time. Enter my dad and I, total novices when it comes to rebuilding engines or anything Packard in general. Our friend will guide us through the rebuild and hopefully we'll have the car put back together and running this winter.

This blog will hopefully chronicle our struggles and mistakes as we figure this out. Advice is always welcome! Hopefully we can get it back to looking like this and running as smoothly as it did when he first got it.

<img src="https://obzxjg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mYC ... t=450&cropmode=none" width="600" height="450" />

Posted on: 2019/10/14 11:50
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