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Re: far away from home
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Jim L. in OR
Looks to be another "nail in the coffin" of the often repeated idea of Packard giving all the tooling for the 1942 Senior cars to the Soviets.

Posted on: 2014/12/29 18:51
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Re: Items found under front seat
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Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Of course several reasons for coinage under the seat, at least one of which was the custom of my era. When a friend first showed you his new (or used) car, you took some coins from you pocket and tossed them into the car. Do people still do this?


Back in 1989 when I bought a new but left over 1988 Ford Tempo (my second new car - the first being a 1977 VW Beetle Convertible) I took it over to a friends house to show it to them. When I had the trunk open, Michael reached into his pocket and tossed in all the change he had under the trunk mat. I was astonished and must have looked it for he explained it was for "Good Luck" (I thought maybe it was to be able to call AAA). I still have the Tempo and it only has 68,000 miles on it. And yes, the coins are still under the mat. They must have worked as I have never had any trouble with it.

Posted on: 2014/12/29 18:41
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Re: The 1951 Patrician of Jim L. in OR
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I'm glad the subject of the trunk handle came up as that is one of the questions I was going to ask in the future. I think I went over every picture in the '51 section of the photo archives trying to see what the correct color was or even if there was a color. Some of the pics look to me like they were left blank.

What I would like is info on the number of trim pieces around the base of the rear seat. Were there two ribbed bands like on the bottom of the door panel or just one? If there are two, are they spaced like they are on the doors?

Also every picture of the interior of a '51 Patrician seems to be the 501 trim: taupe pleated door panel inserts on light wool body and a dark beige instrument panel. I have yet to find one with the 503 like mine: Dark Blue over light beige (a strange combo) with a sort of silver grey dash and window trim.

If I were ordering the car new in '51 I would have gone with the Taupe and Tan interior myself. It looks so much warmer. I'm sort of done in one grey interiors as both my mom's 88 Tempo Sport has grey interior as did my first '95 Lincoln Town Car. I'm burned out on grey but am thinking I should stick with it in this case as, judging from the number of pictures, the 503 treatment looks to be rather rare.

My thanks to O_D, Howard, Larry51 and 51Packard for your help and encouragement.

Posted on: 2014/12/23 21:37
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Re: The 1951 Patrician of Jim L. in OR
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Quote:

Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Though it does have Packard accessory seat covers, are these pictures of a totally original 51 Patrician useful? I have many more photos of that car that weren't posted. The car is now in Scandanavia but I could request other photos if you need them.


Thank you O_D for your reply and for posting the pictures. Especially the one showing the Factory Seat Covers as that exact set was on the seats of the '51 200 Deluxe I bought for parts. They are now on the seats of my '51 Patrician. Now I know why they "looked like they belonged there".

The main question I have regards the chrome trim on the base of the rear seat. In the Patrician Brochure the rear seat is shown having one wide band of stainless that matches the top piece on the lower door panels above the thinner piece. The rear seat of my Patrician has the wider piece. However, the Patrician section of the big folded poster size Packard's the One in '51" shows a second narrower band below the first which mimics the lower, thinner piece on the door. My car doesn't have that piece - at least now it doesn't.

What I'm wondering is which version was used in production? One band on the seat matching the upper band on the lower portion of the door like the Patrician Brochure? Or two bands: a broader upper band over a thinner lower band?

As far as further pictures go, naturally, I'd love to see everything I can get my hands on. Realistically, the main question marks concern the carpet and the edging on the carpet; the kick panels and the lower portions of the front and rear seats.

Thank you again, O_D for the quick response and the pictures. It looks like a lovely car in beautiful condition. A condition I plan on returning mine to.

(If she saw that last sentence, my 8th Grade English Teacher - Mrs. Foster - wouldn't just turn over in her grave, she'd be spinning like a lathe).

Posted on: 2014/12/23 17:52
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Re: HOLY S#$%&T BRAKE FAILURE!
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Jim L. in OR
You mention you were on your way to where you store the Packard. How often do you drive the car? More to the point, how long does the car sit between "drives"?

Posted on: 2014/12/23 17:27
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Re: '55 Patrician Durability Test
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The '64 Rambler had vacuum wipers? I used to have a black 770 2dr hdtp and the wipers were excellent for the entire 4 years I owned it (1966-70). They worked so well I always assumed they were electric.

The wipers on my '55 Packard work very well after I installed a new vacuum motor from Max Merritt. Even if I stand on the GO pedal, the wipers never completely stop and this is on a car WITHOUT the vacuum pump. This summer, I found and installed a small vacuum tank with check valve inot the wiper line - attaching the tank to the front of the heater box so I could use those screws to and not have to drill any holes. After the tank was installed, the wipers could be mistaken for an electric. No slow downs what so ever.

Posted on: 2014/12/23 17:21
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Re: Where'd the Power Go?
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Thank you O_D & Howard for you prompt reply. The T-L system on my '55 has always seemed to be something of a perfectionist. In the past, whenever I've done something that makes the car sit "out of plumb" there will be one or two major corrections followed by increasingly shorter periods of adjustment - even if the car has not been driven. It will just sit there an cycle until it "gets it right" What seems to be happening now is that it after a major adjustment, it is trying for perfection only the motor is not coming on to do it. I will check the wiring in the trunk and as I returned the T-L system to the 3 prong brake light version right after I bought it I will check the wiring around it as I recall that having been butchered to bypass the brake light switch, the wiring was a bit of a mess. I will also check the trunk as I had been using the car quite a bit during this year's Indian Summer.

Also, as Howard suggested I noticed that the T-L Switch on the lower left portion of the dash seems worn (as in internally loose) I did buy a NOS T-L Toggle Switch in the same order that gave me the 3 prong brake light switch.

O_D mentions the initial current draw of electric motors which brought to mind something I think I saw when comparing the '55 T-L with the '56. I seem to recall the the '56 Chart called for a 30 amp fuse rather than the '55 20 amp fuse for the dedicated T-L motor circuit. If that memory is correct, could it be that Packard was trying to address a "blowing fuse problem"? A Slo-Blow 20 or 25 amp fuse would seem to be a happy medium. The fuse in the inline fuse holder is a SFE 20 - the same as the Body Feed. I wonder if the aging T-L system isn't drawing more current than it did when new when the T-L Motor kicks in. What is the prefix for Slow-Blow fuses?

But then again, the T-L motor works when a new Body Feed Fuse is installed so it doesn't look like the dedicated circuit is the problem.

I'll check the T-L Wiring as well as the trunk wiring and get back to you as soon as I am able - hopefully, it won't take a month this time.

Thank you once again Howard and O_D for walking me through this.

Posted on: 2014/12/23 17:07
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Re: The 1951 Patrician of Jim L. in OR
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I can't believe it's been almost a month since I last posted or worked on my '51 Patrician. But with weather and health issues the time has just flown by. (RIGHT!)

Taking a hint for some of the other projects I tried Easy-off on the greased up sections of the engine. That stuff works really well! I used the heavy duty version that comes in the yellow can. I just sprayed it on, let it sit over night and Ta Da! Using a stiff piece of plastic, I was able to peel the grease right off the sprayed sections without any problems. Areas where the grease is thicker - like the front of the Harmonic Pulley (which puzzles me) I've sprayed twice. Knocked it down to where the grease gets hard again then sprayed the Easy Off a second time. Unless I've grossly underestimated how thick some of this grease is, I think 4 or 5 cans should do the trick. Not just on the engine but the surrounding areas of the frame too.

Knowing that I was going to need to find some reference for the Patrician "400" interiors, I bid on and won a copy of the exclusively Patrician "400" Brochure for 1951. It has answered most of my questions but also raised one. However I'll take that up at another time.

I want to scan and send the '51 Patrician Brochure to the site so there will be one for the future reference of others but am not sure how to go about it. So Kevin or Howard or ?, Please let me know how to do it.

Posted on: 2014/12/23 0:02
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Re: Where'd the Power Go?
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Jim L. in OR
Quote:

Ross wrote:
Did you try to start the car? I think only that the courtesy light switch needs cleaning. They are getting rather fussy as they approach the 60 year mark. That or the body fuse has popped or corroded.


It's taken a long time for me to get back to Ross and my '55 but I finally did.

Ross hit the nail on the head with the Body Feed fuse. I replaced it and the interior and exterior Courtesy Lights all came back. The Headlights no show was apparently caused by my hitting the Dimmer Switch. It seems that when I hit it (doing so was unplanned) I only pressed it half way so neither High or Low Beams got any juice. Fully pressed and released the switch a couple of times and everything is back to normal on that front. Flushed with success, I turned the ignition key and she started right up. With the cold weather, I then checked the anti-freeze which was OK but leaning across the fender (the car was too close to the back wall to stand in front of the car) caused the front end to dip and the back to rise. Once everything under the hood was checked I got back in the car and turned on the suspension which soon leveled the car back out.

I went into the garage where the '51 Patrician is parked and sprayed more Easy-off on the grease areas of the engine to let that sit and then called it a night. Heading back to the house I went passed the '55 and heard strange sounds. There was a repeating "CLICKING" sound that seemed to come from under the car. It was like something was trying to turn on and off. It took a while, but I realized the "clicks" sounded just like the clicks the T-L System makes before the motor kicks in to level the car. Only this time, the motor wasn't turning on. It was then I realized I'd heard this before. Just before the Body Fuse blew. I opened the door to the '55 to turn the suspension back off but too late, the Courtesy Lights weren't coming on again. Sure enough, the Body Feed Fuse was blown.

A quick look at the FSM showed me that while the Leveler Motor has it's own dedicated fuse, the "brains" of the system are powered off the Body Feed Circuit.

What I've got here has got me stumped. The T-L System functions for a while but also seems eventually take out the Body Feed Fuse. I couldn't find anything on site but since I'm not sure what I'm looking for, I may not be using the right "Magic Words".

Any and all help will be much appreciated for as soon as I finish cutting up the part of the tree that closed off the garage, I want to take the '55 out just to keep everything up to snuff.

Posted on: 2014/12/22 23:44
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Re: New Arrival !
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Jim L. in OR
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markincoosbay wrote:
Glad you are pleased with your new Patrician. It was bittersweet for me. My wife assures me that this isn't my last Packard. I am equally as please with Jim's 1960 Imperial that he owned for 40+ years. We both have lots to do.


A brief moment to honor the passing of a car I really loved and thought was going to someone who really wanted to restore it. I received a call from a friend in the Imperial community last night to tell me that it is now in a salvage yard in Springfield, OR. So I guess the pleasure wore off real fast.

There is a flip side of everything I guess, and the flip to the old saw "Let the Buyer Beware" is "Let the Seller Beware".

I'm sorry baby, you deserved better.

Posted on: 2014/11/23 22:57
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