Re: Ken's 1937 115C Touring Sedan
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Ok, I had what they call in my business a "gross concept error."
I thought that the flex hose ran from the fuel pump to the carb; a little careful reading and application of logic indicates that the flex hose actually went from the hard line on the frame to the fuel pump. I didn't notice that because my fuel pump to carb line was mostly wrapped, so I thought it was a hardened flex hose. Also, sometime over the years, a different fuel tank was installed in the car and rubber hose run from the fuel tank to the fuel pump. I put a new fuel line (rubber, with an inline filter) from the inlet of the fuel pump to a rubber gas can just to get the car running. I don't know how clean the other tank is, and I didn't want to add an additional factor while I was trying to sort things out. I haven't looked along the passenger side frame rail for the original hard line, so I'm unsure if it is completely missing or was just bypassed for some reason. In the future, I will probably have to sort out fuel gage sending unit; right now it reads full when it's empty, so I'm sure the sender is a later, incorrect unit. Not todays problem though, and tomorrow doesn't look good either! I did call Arthur Gould, and they're going to rebuild my pump for $95 plus shipping as soon as I get it to them- the local post office closed early today. Tomorrow it is. ~Ken
Posted on: 2011/4/18 16:12
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Lol, mine is beveled! At least on about 15% of the teeth- but that's not what you meant! I'll be flipping the ring gear around eventually, but probably not for a month or two. If I'm going to pull the trans, I want to pull the motor and tranny at the same time and get everything painted. Before I do that, I want to get it running. And the beat goes on... Didn't do any work on the engine today, because I'm not going to be able to do much until I get a new fuel pump in, but I did get the windshield pulled out. Now I just have to get a new one cut and order my new gasket. I did also come across another mystery. The "flex" hose between the fuel pump and carb was actually a bent steel tube with a partially missing woven covering. I think it was an aftermarket addition! The "flex" hose:
Posted on: 2011/4/17 17:20
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So the ring gears aren't beveled? In my previous experience with newer ('50s and later) Chevy V8s, there is actually a bevel on the ring gear, so that it can only be installed one direction. If that's not the case with this ring gear, that will be an easy fix. Also, I will replace the starter drive when I flip or change the ring gear. It's too easy to find and inexpensive to risk damaging the good side of the ring gear for! A lot easier to pull the starter than to pull the ring gear!
Posted on: 2011/4/17 9:09
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Is there supposed to be a pan on both sides, or just the drivers side? I'm just getting into my '37 115c, and it only has a pan on the left side. I haven't had cause to remove it yet, but I did notice that it looked like it wouldn't be much fun!
Posted on: 2011/4/16 15:33
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One last question for the day. I pulled the passenger side inner fender well, and found this piece of wood bolted to it. Any thoughts on why it is there? There wasn't a corresponding piece on the other side.
Incidentally, when I pulled the fuel pump, nothing was hooked up to either port on the vacuum side of the pump.
Posted on: 2011/4/16 15:26
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The 1937-1938 shop manual says I should see approximately 105 psi at cranking speed. I definitely think I should be close enough that it will run just fine; perhaps a ring job and/or refurbishing the head will be something to be done many years down the road when the rest of the car is tip-top. For now though, I'm not going to worry about it.
Posted on: 2011/4/16 14:22
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Thanks for all the insights and tips. The history on the car is a bit fuzzy at best, but to the best of my knowledge, it's been started or driven only occasionally at best over the last 25 years, which is why I used the oil method. I also waited at least 3 compression strokes. I didn't have the throttle valve open, but I'm pleased with the numbers for now. Once I have it running well, then I'll worry about getting the perfect numbers!
Copy all about not using NOS rubber on any fuel system components! The fuel pump actually worked great about five weeks ago and now the carb end of the flex hose is completely dry when the motor cranks over. I'm about 95% positive the new E-10 gas ate right through the old pump. I'm not going to worry about it in the near future, but how easy are new ring gears (or a new ring gear/flywheel combo) to find? Are they a component unique to Packard, or something that cross-correlates to most automakers from that period?
Posted on: 2011/4/16 14:06
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I had the choke open, but didn't think to open the throttle plate. I might try that once the battery is charged up a little.
Also, I was thinking about it, and cranking speed really shouldn't affect compression. I put three pumps of SAE 30W oil into each cylinder prior to starting the compression test, perhaps the constant cranking had washed the cylinders down slightly by the time I got back to 5 and 6. Also, if my fuel pump diaphragm is bad, I could be dumping fuel straight into the crank case, which will also lower compression. I think the next step will be to get the fuel pump swapped out. I was going to rebuild it myself, but I decided that the cost difference doesn't justify the headache factor and potential for error. Then and Now automotive is only 90 minutes away, but they're only open M-F, so I'll probably ship the pump instead of driving it up there.
Posted on: 2011/4/16 12:38
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The oil pan is back on, and I put the new ground cable in. Had a brief moment of panic when I wasn't getting any spark, and then I realized the key wasn't on. Tried to get it running and it still wouldn't go. So, I primed the carb, and it fired right up. A month ago the fuel pump was pumping strongly, but today it wasn't pushing any fuel through the flex hose between the pump and the carb. I'm suspecting that the new gas ate through the rubber diaphragm and a fuel pump rebuild is in my future!
One other question- the starter sometimes spins out. About 15% of the circumference of the ring gear is really chewed up- an 1/8" of the corner on each tooth in that area is chewed off. My question is this: is the starter spinning out because the ring gear is chewed up, or is the ring gear chewed up because the starter bendix is weak? How does one inspect the bendix gear? Everything looked okay on the bench- no crack or deformation in the spring, no abnormal wear on the starter gear. If it is spinning out because of the ring gear wear, has anyone ever flipped a ring gear on these cars? Should be possible, right? Also, for what it's worth, I ran a compression test and saw: #1- 95 psi #2- 90 psi #3- 90 psi #4- 90 psi #5- 85 psi #6 -85 psi I suspect the declining trend was due to a decrease in battery voltage. The battery is new, but it has seen a lot more cranking than charging recently! Thanks, as always, for reading.
Posted on: 2011/4/16 10:53
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Congrats, and welcome! I'm new to the Packard hobby as well, but there is a wealth of information available here.
Posted on: 2011/4/16 7:37
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