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Re: Another one bites the dust
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Those justifying such hideous degradation with "but the craftsmanship is good," why are you here?
This is a site devoted to the preservation, renovation of Packards, not late model Chevies garbed with Packard bodies.

This fine site is the last place to see the least approval for ignorant, low-horizon trash like this.

Again, why are you here? There are other sites like H.A.M.B. Jalopy Journal for crapola like the above nightmare. Hell, even most denizens of H.A.M.B. would shake their heads at this monstrosity.

No, no, no.

And if you're too feeble to work the silky clutch, smooth transmission lever of a torquey quality car once driven by bankers, judges, businessmen and their 5' 2" wives, time to give up driving or stick to a PT Cruiser or golf cart.

You don't decimate rolling history and get a pass from us. You don't urinate in a cathedral or modify the works in the Louvre with Magic Markers and get a pat on your empty head from us.

Posted on: 8/8 15:53
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Re: Safe Highway Speed
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Glentre, the above gents give you terrific, knowing advice. Gear Vendors and others offer aftermarket overdrives with anvil strength used in monstrously powerful rods and the like long used by many with big luxe barouches of the '30s.
No one can whine about "originality" unless they've nothing better to do than crawl beneath your car looking for sin.

If you change to a taller rear axle, and/or add overdrive, remember, it is hard to "over-gear" a Packard or most vintage cars. Bear in mind they were often first sold to drivers who came of age when Dobbin was still common or principal transport, and third gear flexibility seen as the mark of refinement, and luxury.

Remember, the expression "going like 60" was still in popular use into the '40s, and the first modern, limited-access, divided highway was 1940's 160-mile Pennsylvania Turnpike.

Even in a newer Packard than yours with taller rear axle and overdrive like my '47 or its kin, with 1941-42 Buick Century/Roadmasters, the only cars available off a showroom floor in the '40s able to best the ton (100 mph), I envy your bucolic Virginia surrounds, where you have some lovely undulating two-lane "blue highways," because i prefer a leisurely pace. You rediscover your car at 40-50, or slower; what the English used to call "pottering."

Something right nice about murmuring along at 40-45. As you probably know, one of the most beautiful drives in the nation is the 469-mile Blue Ridge Parkway, with its 45-mph speed limit and not one sign or billboard allowed.

Relax and enjoy the ride. Don't let those in Kleenex cars cow you.

Your 384-ci eight is a magnificent, strong engine. I prefer it over the Twelve even as Maurice Hendry liked the Pierce 384 inline eight over their 12.
You've got as nice a Packard as East Grand ever built.

Posted on: 8/1 16:04
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Re: 6volt battery booster
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Marty asks a good question.
Meanwhile, have never understood all these complicated battery issues, scenarios seen too often on these forums.

Not difficult: Make sure your generator, voltage regulator putting out, working as intended.

Packard knew what they were doing. No need to reinvent the wheel. One (1) 6-volt Optima Red Top battery. Googling shows various sources. I like Summit Racing.

If, for some bizarre reason, you want a heavy, off-gassing plate battery, do not grasp that Packard built cars, not batteries, generators, tires, motor oil, brake fluid, or that weight is the enemy, have at it.

Double aught (00) solid copper battery cables available from any big rig supply house, ends both crimped and soldered. As JW counsels, any disconnect switch --a must on any vintage car -- on positive cable. Make sure it's rated for more amps than your gear-reduction starter draws. I like the brass, marine grade Cole Hersee switch available at any NAPA store, who you should always patronize because they're the only national chain that caters to old cars, have better stuff, generally, than the others, deserve our business.

Some of us like the positive-ground, 55-amp, 6-volt bolt-in alternators from Jim's Battery Manufacturing, Youngstown, OH (800) 426-7580. No butchering required. Tell Jim and Dolores that '47 Packard Super/Custom Supers in Walnut Creek, CA and British Columbia sent you.
Some tow trucks, emergency equipment in the 1950s had 6-volt alternators, which go back to War II. Had Packard somehow dodged the inevitable future for all independents, they'd have installed alternators, radial tires, 10W/30 oil, perhaps DOT5 silicone brake fluid, seatbelts.

If concerned what some clipboard fruitcake at a car show thinks about "originality," they offer fakey-do old-time battery covers to disguise the Optima. I prefer having the extra room on the battery tray for tools, etc. when working in the engine bay.

CTEK UC 800 is the trickle/float charger an Optima tech recommended. Have had mine since the late 1990s. Shows an orange light when charging, green when charged. Will not over-charge. Leave it on all the time, year 'round. The closer any battery kept to 100%, the longer it lasts. However, it's a good idea to deep cycle any battery now and then. If not driving for a few months, turn on your head or driving/fog lights for 30 minutes, then immediately recharge.

Never let a battery sit with low charge. This invites sulfation, death knell for batteries. I got nearly a decade from my last Optima, know of a '41 Cad that got 14 years, have heard of other old cars reporting 16 years. But then i also got a decade from the traditional plate battery in my Honda Civic.

The above is absolutely all you need. If your ignition and fuel system are in good shape, you'll be in fine fettle.

Why don't people use the Search box on this masterfully arrayed site's home page? The same questions, over and over.

Posted on: 7/26 15:37
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Re: Leather seat restoration
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George, the four-generation auto (earlier carriage) upholstery shop est. 1897 who well knows Packards i might refer you to is on the wrong coast, but to preserve as much of the original leather as possible use jojoba oil. Trader Joe's has it, and it works better than Neatsfoot Oil, which is vile stuff, made from the shin bones and feet of cattle, talk about insult to injury.

Neat is the Old English word for cattle.

Many like the cracks, patina of old leather upholstery akin to the character lines in the face of a beautiful woman of a certain age. So only replace what has horse hair and springs poking out.

Never a fan of leather, always liked the optional whipcord available in immediate prewar Buick, Cad and Packard convertibles. Similar to gabardine, used in topcoats, uniforms, equestrian and other sportswear, wears like iron, much more comfortable, and humane, than leather.

You've got an interesting trio of Packards.

Saw a '35 Duesenberg originally fitted with leatherette, which is what they called an early version of the hide of the rare, seldom seen Nauga, first owned by an Indian maharajah. So if you go that route, tell the clipboard wielders your cars ordered by discerning Hindus.

Selling leather as a premium upholstery material (below link) ranks with Rolls-Royce's cagey advertising since their earliest days, recalling Lauren Pomeroy and others in the know long since dismissing R-R as "a triumph of craftsmanship over engineering" and "a bloody good confidence trick."

"Bridge of Weir" long a banner for the hides of cattle from England, Scotland, Ireland where barbed wire not used, hence fewer imperfections. Today, Bridge of Weir ballyhoos humane treatment and concern for these animals as or more sentient, intelligent, social as those many keep for pets, consider family members. Until they're murdered for burgers.

Then you had later R-Rs trumpeting "unborn calf hide" for the well-heeled Caligula set.

Jojoba oil is hands down the best stuff for leather. Your wife or squeeze (or both) might have some but then you'll have some 'splainin' to do.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthus ... acked-up-to-be/ar-AAOUUDx

Posted on: 7/23 6:16
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Re: Wondering out loud
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Tim, i hear you re: the CCCA. Not knocking the club, had friends long in it, well understand why it was started and by whom, having met/known several of them long ago. My point is the CCCA is just another car club and since its earlier years has transmogrified to a silly, snooty, arbitrary organization of 2,500 members, unless you include "associate members," aka wives.

Because this club's foci include Duesenbergs, Packard Twelves, Cad V-16s and the rest of the parade floats, their judging guidelines, qualifying list, allied with a Pebble Beach not the same event it was in the '50s, have become final arbiters, keeping hundreds of thousands, millions of car buffs in second-tier obeyance so long they are no longer aware of their servitude.

Talk about Stockholm Syndrome:
We try to put this nonsense in historic perspective and someone accuses us of being "bitter," overlooking we've probably passed over --you certainly have -- more CCCA fare over the years than he's seen.

There's schizophrenic, Walter Mittyism in the CCCA. The by far biggest, ongoing thread on their site is one approaching 20,000 posts devoted to Mercedes 500/540Ks, while the darlings of the membership are '41 Cad convertibles sharing every piece of sheet metal with Pontiac with a so-so three-main-bearing V-8 and water pump out of 1930, but available with HydraMatic, allowing "classic" golf carts.

Ralph Stein wonderfully summed the above Teutonic CCCA dreamboat:
"They were fat and heavy (about 5,500 pounds) and vulgarly curvilinear. I thought at the time that if you had draped them with medals, they'd look like dear old Hermann Goering himself. If he'd had wheels."

This is why i brought up Michael Lamm. Maurice Hendry, Cliff Borgeson, L.J. K. Setright, Richard Hough could also write about ballyhooed barouches without the now mandatory bowing and scraping to thrice-told myth, malarkey.

Posted on: 7/18 17:07
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Re: Wondering out loud
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And nobody but nobody used the term "classic" for cars until LA car buff lawyer Robert Gottlieb coined it in his Motor Trend columns beginning 1951 for the outsized white elephants available for a song on any city's used car lots' backrow because no one wanted them, and there was no source for tires.

The CCCA was begun the next year by a few NYC, CT execs in their 20s, 30s, inc. rich kids like Bob Turnquist, who adopted the term; their accepted list comically arbitrary. The paucity of sporting cars underscores size is as much attribute in their eyes.

Car mad kids in the late '30s and '40s called such fare "fine cars." In 1972, a Duesenberg first owned by Greta Garbo became the first car to approach $100,000 at auction. Suddenly, "classic" Coke, pizza, everything barely out of the Kelley Blue Book. The Korean War generation wanted their day in the fiscal sun, so we quickly had "classic" Tri-Chevs, T-Birds. Then the boomers wanted their egos stroked so "muscle cars" became "classic.

To the fellow suggesting "bitterness." The word you're casting for is disgust. May i suggest you reread what Mr. Cole and i wrote.

Like Tim, those of us who've been fooling with old cars most our lives simply miss this hobby before it was buggered by the idle rich.

Miss the likes of Hemmings Motor News/Special Interest Autos/Small Boat publisher formerly with the NY Times Review of Books, Terry Ehrich, an arborist, environmentalist who liked old cars. Michael Lamm,
no better auto historian extant, started SIA specifically to cover all interesting old cars, not just the "fire trucks," as longtime Packard Club quarterly editor Dick Langworth well summed the oft overrated dreadnaughts of the '30s.

Listen to Tim. However many i've driven, he's driven more, and worked on.

Something nice about burbling along at 45-50 in any old car, even one newer than 1930. Thanks to the Pebble/Amelia's breathless reportage, the first question most of us are asked is the immensely rude "what's sumpin' like that worth?," as if the answer imbues instant understanding of the complexities, hows, whys of an ancient example of industrial art.

Before corporate journalism infected Road & Track, Phil Frank and Joe Troise (whose father was a Packard national service manager) did a wonderful cartoon, Nigel Shiftright. In one, Nigel's pottering along in his trusty MG-TC when some yuppies in an enormous SUV blow by him yelling
"You're impeding our lifestyle!"

Posted on: 7/16 0:08
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Re: Wondering out loud
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Right. And nothing but nothing's queered this hobby more than the Pebble Beach/Amelia Island mentality; a few overblown, overhyped, overrated cars in their day, improving since only in recounted mythology.

Such shows need a certain number of entrants as field fodder, so the trophies exchanged among the inner circle of arbitragers, real estate developers mean something.

A late friend's Delahaye took Best of Show at 2000's Bauble Beach. A down to earth Basque, he had his cars restored at a shop down in the Central CA ag valley to make it affordable, beautiful of course, but admitted if you want to split hairs, better craftsmanship (if not taste) at the Oakland Roadster Show.

Many shows do raise money for certain laudable charities, but we've yet to see their books, an audit; gauge their overhead, how much of the gate really goes to "the children," "our troops," disease du jour, et al.

Stranger is the proclivity of the little people to think hanging out with, oohing and ahhing over the aforementioned and their current toy somehow rubs off on them, even as the very folk most shafted by rich, flag-waving pols feverishly glom.

These janitorial non-elegances have nothing to do with the real events in Europe in the '20s, '30s, where cars were judged strictly on line, form, presence, the owner's wife or paramour sometimes wearing a suitable dress or gown, the cars often driven through rain the night before, parked on the hotel's grounds still with a bit of mud in the tire treads.

Phil Hill, whose '31 Pierce won 1955's Pebble, later ran a restoration shop in Santa Monica, said he'd seen "more nice original cars forever ruined for the sake of a few more points at some concours."

There was no Pebble in 2020 due to Covid. 2019 was won by a Chinese billionaire, 2021's by a billionaire US flag patriot, as War II combat vets, fathers of the modern war novel Kurt Vonnegut, Normal Mailer, Gore Vidal called such, supplying the auto industry with upholstery produced entirely in Mexico.

A friend years ago watched a tie betwixt a pair of Pebble entrants broken when the judges finally pulled their dipsticks and awarded the cleaner. Yes, really.
He also heard contestants at Pebble citing how they only gave their white elephants ring and valve jobs, not engine rebuilds, for fear of losing their factory idle.

It might be interesting to deduct points depending on how odious the source of the exhibitor's wherewithal.
Does he, as one billionaire Ferrarist in the Bay Area, try to pave 30 pristine acres of avian and wildlife habitat, remove 400 trees, for a vanity "senior community" for the one half of the one percent?

The same mentality dominates the CCCA, for so long most car buffs can't recall not being in second-tier obeyance. Automotive Stockholm Syndrome.

What are we really fawning over?
We all know stunning old cars, Packards and others, that run as intended, that rarely if ever appear at such events.

Most of us stopped exhibiting --no trophy chasing -- as shows charging entrants fees (Hillsborough never did) went over $20. You don't charge the players at a ballgame.

People whose egos rely on, and net worth includes, shiny old cars will quickly sputter how much it costs to put on such demolition derbies, janitorial d'nonelegance.

Cars and coffees have replaced most shows of cars trailered like so many beached whale carcasses, remaining concours d'credit line retain PR consultants, planting the usual articles in buff magazines.

Packard was once the quiet leader of the auto industry. Packard Info couldn't be a finer, more suitable site. Perhaps we can do our part to reclaim this hobby.

Posted on: 7/15 16:33
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More smart, reliable sources
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Hadn't planned to share another topnotch source, but Jeff Dreibus, The Old Carb Doctor (yesterday's tip) says he bought, buys his fuel pump kits from Then-Now, Weymouth, MA. Just spoke with the owner, Tom Hannaford, who couldn't be more level, knowledgeable.
Fuel pumps, shocks, motor mounts, machining, fan belts for all cars back to the '20s.
(781) 335- 8860
https://www.then-now-auto.com/antique-auto-parts/

These leads are not in place of Jeff Adkins, Moose Motors, Penngrove (Petaluma), CA's North Bay (707) 792-9985,
packardguy54@sbcglobal.net, who i've praised here before, my usual go-to guy, but in addition should for some bizarre and i mean bizarre reason Jeff doesn't have it or can't help. Also, Then-Now offers machining for some of you in New England.

Jeff is a lifelong Packard man who ran a shop so catering, now sells mechanical parts, rebuilds components inc. correct Packard pressure plates using the original jig, instead of the Ford truck clutches many of us use/used. R-9, R-11 overdrive transmissions, starters, etc. Also brake parts for all old domestic cars Auburn through Zephyr.

Posted on: 7/15 15:37
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Re: Carb, fuel pump repair/rebuilding source
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Try it now, Sahib. At work, multi-tasking an urban myth.

Posted on: 7/14 18:29
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Carb, fuel pump repair/rebuilding source
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Believe in singing the praises of any business that is reasonable and goes the extra mile, so may've overlooked steering those here gathered to Jeff Dreibus,
The Old Carb Doctor
1127 Drucilla Church Road, Nebo, NC 28761,
(800) 945-CARB (2272).
www.oldcarbdoctor.com

Jeff has long done White Post Restoration's carb and fuel pump work, a lifetime's experience with everything from Edwardian era brass cars through the advent of modern computerized carbs, excels in casting repair, inner corrosion/oxidation woes.

Tell him a '47 Super Clipper in Walnut Creek, CA referred you.

Posted on: 7/14 17:41
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