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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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On the instructions to remove the heads, it says to "disconnect the exhaust manifold from the exhaust pipe". Looking in the Fuel and Exhaust section, it says that the manifold bolts onto the crossover pipe. For me it's hard to see what is going on there, but the specs sheet says it should be 3/8" bolts, presumably using a 9/16" socket. Are these usually feasible to get off, or rusted in place?

What's the recommended way to take the heads off? Manual says to screw (14mm) bolts into the spark plug holes and lift it off with some apparatus.

How heavy is it? Is it feasible to lift off by myself or should I have another person? Should I take the hood off first?

Also, how do I get the head unseated in the first place? I loosened all of the head bolts but the head itself didn't seem to be movable. Just smack it around with a dead blow hammer, or?

Posted on: Yesterday 22:29
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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Took off the valley cover. Fortunately all the lifters are free. Everything looks to be in good mechanical condition overall under there. Seems to be a piston problem, so I'm going to start tying to get the heads off. Fortunately with what I've done so far I've completed most of the preliminary steps anyway.

Posted on: Yesterday 18:29
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Picture of a 55 or 56 with a manual?
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Does anyone have a picture of the inside of a 55 or 56 factory-equipped with a manual transmission? I haven't been able to find anything online due to their rarity.

Basically just curious what the setup was.

Posted on: Yesterday 7:37
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Re: Should I Make the Trade?
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In my opinion, this is what I can tell you for 50's Packards in terms of what you might want/not want:

- Unsurprisingly, the Seniors (Patrician, 400, Caribbean, etc.) are generally worth more than the Juniors (Clippers). If you don't care much about the differences between them, consider both. However, if you're buying a car that needs a lot of work, Seniors are usually less of a "money pit" as they're mechanically almost identical but worth a bit more once you're done.

- The 1955-56 Packards tend to be a bit more in demand because of the styling differences compared to 51-54; at the same time 55 and 56 are a bit more common year-by-year. However, don't count out the earlier styling . The biggest difference on these is the drivetrain: 51-54 use a straight-8 engine and the original Ultramatic transmission. 55-56 use V-8 and the "twin" Ultramatic drive. There's pro's and con's to each. Ultimately I don't think one is much better than the other overall. Many prefer the sound and feel of the I8's, along with better part availability because Packard used them for so long. Note that some 54's used the twin Ultramatic (then called the Gear-start), and all years there are cars with manuals, though not on all models and they tend to be pretty rare. For example in '56 less than 700 cars out of almost 29,000 were manuals, only around 2%. Estimates of the actual number are as low as 30. Anyway...

- There's nothing against wanting one with all the options, just don't be surprised at the inevitably higher cost of maintenance. Realistically, the cars were built well enough that they should drive well with NO options. That being said, some common ones and what to look out for. Good checklist of stuff to check when you see the car. I'm sure more people here will add on and add some better tips than I'm aware of.
- Heater (standard and/or under-seat) though in Cali you may not even need one. Check for heater core leaks before you buy.
- Power brakes are nice for safety reasons.
- Power steering is really not needed. Packard steering was already best-in-its-class; while power steering is not bad to have, I don't many would say that it's something you'd specifically want to try to get.
- Radio. Very common option. Packard had I think 3 different radio styles in this year range. Unless they've been rebuilt it probably won't work.
- Clocks were standard but FYI they almost never work unless rebuilt.
- Electric windows.
- Air conditioning was a very expensive option ($650 on a $2500-6500 car). I don't know if they usually work or not. They're somewhat rare.
- Automatic transmission. As mentioned, extremely common in these years.
- Torsion-level. Test as described earlier in this thread.
- Power seat.
- A bunch of other random accessories that you can check by model year on the "Model Information" page... click a year then scroll to the bottom.

Hope this is helpful.

Posted on: 5/14 14:45
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Re: Various CL Pickings
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The 51 convertible and 49 look really clean.

The guy with the 41 is crazy. According to him it hasn't seen rain since 1962, yet there are obvious water stains on both the front and back seats. Would be a good buy if you take off a zero.

Posted on: 5/14 14:27
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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Yeah that's what it looks like. In the service manual it implies they're removeable that way so I should be able to see well enough if they're free. I'll take a look today or tomorrow when I'm back over there.

Fortunately have a fresh can of PB baster and a dead blow hammer so we can hope for the best. If this isn't the issue then I'll need to start tearing it apart which I'm not against, but it would be a pretty big pain.

Still need to test the ignition system, then buy/find a set of spark plug wires, then change the oil before even trying to crank it over. Needs an oil change because the pan is about a gallon overfilled with diesel at this point.
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Posted on: 5/14 14:23
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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How do I access them / lift them? Just remove the cover under the intake / between the heads and take a look?

Posted on: 5/14 14:13
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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My bad Don. Yeah there's a bit of a clunk. What would you suggest doing to try to loosen them up?


It looks like in the manual they are called "tappets"?

Posted on: 5/14 13:44
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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I managed to be able to get a wrench underneath the heater core to unscrew the rocker arm bolts to free up the rockers and the engine was still the same way. Don suggested making sure the pushrods were free. I'll check that next but as I recall they fit in pretty loosely so I doubt that would be an issue.

I borrowed a friend's borescope to check out the cylinders. Aside from 8 and 6 they look pretty alright to me, though feel free to take a look at the (grainy) photos here: https://imgur.com/a/0v2O4TE. The pictures are labeled to the cylinder number.

Cylinder 8 is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tvpJZR1Y8

Aside from 8 and 6 they mostly just look to have a good amount of carbon buildup. A couple have visible but light scratches vertically on the cylinder walls. BTW for 6, I've had the spark plugs out for months. So IDK how old that spider web is.

Posted on: 5/14 8:10
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Re: Someone hooked the battery up backwards / new member 55 Clipper Deluxe
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Thank you Howard. Too tired for today but I will try that later.

Posted on: 5/13 18:40
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