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Re: Oil Pump Rebuilding Options?
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Thanks, guys! My 327 does indeed have hydraulic lifters. I had them all out when I did the head gasket and valve job a couple months ago. Two of the lifters came out and were replaced with NOS. I determined the bad lifters with a stethoscope. I've seen Ross's video on testing the hydraulic lifters. I'll need to recreate that jig! It definitely used to be much worse and (thankfully) not the primary concern for me at the moment. I'll probably do the valve guides at some point next summer, at which point I'll dig back into the lifters. Just need that excuse to take the head off again. Meanwhile, if I can eek out a little more oil pressure with some of these ideas, I'll call thay a win!

Posted on: 6/14 21:44
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Oil Pump Rebuilding Options?
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As a quick curiosity... cap came off no problem). Found some sludge build up, so I took the pressure relief valve cap off. I was surprised to find two stacked lock washers inside the cap between the spring and the seat inside the cap. Not seeing any lock washers in the cap in the diagram - guessing they're not supposed to be there.

Guessing I have the wrong spring, and the lock washers were added to sort of lengthen the spring to approximate the original? Or Should I try to locate another spring? Just seems odd...

Also for verification - is this about what the gasket should look like?

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Posted on: 6/14 14:05
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Oil Pump Rebuilding Options?
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Awesome, I know what I'm doing when I get home today!

Posted on: 6/14 12:44
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Oil Pump Rebuilding Options?
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Hey all - so, as I work around my 2302's 327 to update parts, I've come to the oil pump, which I'm assuming has never been off the car. My oil pressure is right at 40 when cruising, and it goes right back when I start moving again. No fluctuation, engine is smooth and quiet. Had the pan down two weeks out, cleaned it and the pickup screen. My concern is that the pressure really drops when it's hot. I don't have an external gauge hooked up, so I can't say for certain, but it's got to be around 5 psi at hot idle, and it does tick somewhat at that point. I know the pressure dropping when it's hot is completely normal, but it does seem like there's probably some wear between the pump and increased "main and connecting rod bearing clearances." I can't do anything about the bearings at the moment, but I figured the pump would be fairly manageable maintenance item. I was hoping to acquire a rebuild kit, clean, update the internals and carry on. But I've definitely hit a snag.

I know folks will ask - I'm running 7 qts. of Lucas Oil 10w-40 Conventional Motor Oil. I've also had the head off, removed and cleaned all the hydraulic lifters (replaced a couple excessively noisy ones). I haven't removed the oil spring and regulator to inspect the piston and check for dirt per a suggestion in the manual - is this a rabbit hole worth going down (I assume the pump can stay on the car to do this)?

I first tried Kanter who has the rebuild kit listed as backordered with no indication as to if/when kits will be stocked again. Merritt says they don't carry the rebuild kits anymore. I tried Egge Machine, who mentions a rebuild kit and/or service on their website, but connecting with them, they said they just source the kit from Kanter and can't rebuild them without the kit. So I feel like I'm in a silly obsolescent loop. Are there any other sources for kits or rebuild services I'm missing? Or is a rebuild likely to make any appreciable difference? (I spoke Dwight Heinmuller briefly - he's been an amazing source of insights, and of course, parts help - he suggested the pumps are generally pretty bulletproof, so maybe it is just dirty?)

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this!

Posted on: 6/14 11:14
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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LED Bulb Wrap-up, 22nd/23rd Series
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Hey gang. I finally decided to get into changing the rest of my bulbs in my 2302. I've shared videos of my park and tail lights on YouTube - those are an excellent upgrade and highly recommended.

Inside, the courtesy lights are wonderful. I decided to keep my incandescent for my dome light because the 82 LED bulbs only illuminate in one direction. Because the socket is on the side, it very obviously only lights half the dome light. It looked goofy, though it is very bright.

I also got my trunk light going again. For this, I purchased the reproduction tilt switch light you can get from any Ford parts supplier (C2RZ-15A700-A) - $26 from Dennis Carpenter. It's the exact same dimensions as our Hobbs mercury switch lights (even the screw holes are in the same place), but the housing is taller and the socket is larger than OE for us. For this, I put in a 6v 1129 LED bulb, which illuminates all around the bulb. Perfect fit, illuminates beautifully, and the tilt switch works exactly as it should. Cheap and easy.

One very important thing, though - LED bulbs are NOT compatible with the black light filters and Flite-Glo lighting for the dash. I hooked four in with the intent of taking a comparison photo... not even worth it. 0% luminescent. The bulbs were shining - they're bright, but not a lick of light made it through the filter. So, incandescent bulbs only for the eight bulbs that light the Flite-Glo dash. There's a 6v 3w speedometer bulb advertised for Honda motorcycles on Amazon - that's what I'm using in the photo attached here (my speedometer needle is there... the rebuilder put tape on the needle, so it doesn't glow at the moment... will fix).

Hope this helps!

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Posted on: 6/12 21:46
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Oil Pickup Tube - O-Rings?
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Alright, sounds good then. I was mainly concerned about the upper connection (pictured), but all makes sense. My strainer was pretty gummed up, too. Kicking myself for not taking it all apart when I last had it apart two years ago. Just didn't know any better at that point. Thanks, all!

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Posted on: 5/28 15:23
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Oil Pickup Tube - O-Rings?
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That's what I figured (about the lack of mention in the book). It seemed like the "nut" for the tube was some sort of flared fitting that would do the sealing. There's a gasket listed for the senior cars - maybe that's what they're referencing?

Posted on: 5/26 21:04
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Oil Pickup Tube - O-Rings?
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OK perfect. What about between the tube nut and where it connects to the oil pump?

Posted on: 5/26 20:30
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Oil Pickup Tube - O-Rings?
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Hey all. '50 model 2302 with a 327 here. Looking for confirmation on this - should there be o-rings where the tube connects to the oil pump and strainer? There's no mention of it in the parts book relative to group 5.1305, and some threads here on the pickup tube don't seem to mention them. However, it was mentioned in a couple social media sources, so I'm looking for that confirmation. I've got the pan down right now, so I figured this would be a good time to add them if they're needed. Thanks!

Posted on: 5/26 20:14
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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Re: Wide Open Throttle - Dies
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*sigh* I think it was largely my fault in not having the idle set correctly (again). I got it nice and hot, brought it down to 375(ish) in High, worked through the huffing and chuffing with the idle screws, and rechecked the timing. Everything was back on the spectrum. It wasn't THAT fast, maybe 475(ish), but seemed to be enough to bring the advances into play. Will get to road test tomorrow, but I think it's probably much closer to where it's supposed to be. Thanks, all!

Posted on: 5/22 15:14
Joe B.
Greenville, NC
1950 Super Deluxe Eight Touring Sedan, Model 2302-5
327 w/ Ultramatic, 6v+
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