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1937 Ignition Removal
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AndyCFI
Hi Friends,

Sorry for yet another lock thread, however, I have another question. My buddy's 1937 Packard Super 8 does not have the ignition I pictured in a previous post held in by 2 screws.

This one seems to have a locking ring behind it, but it is near impossible to get to. How do you guys remove that? Is there a special tool I could get or make? It's that lip under the panel that is a huge challenge. Also not a lot of room behind it without removing the radio and heater.

Pic attached.

Thanks,
Andy

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Posted on: 2022/12/16 10:05
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
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G'day AndyCFI,
to PackardInfo.

Don't forget, when the time comes and you are a Packard owner, to include it in the Packard Vehicle Registry.


Thank you very much, appreciate that!

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BigKev wrote:
In my opinion $50-$60 rental free, plus shipping both ways. Figure someone still has to get through all the keys to find a march and then avtuslly go get copies made.

Figure all in, thats less than $100. Much more than that, the local locksmith starts to look attractive for the sake of convenience.


Excellent, that's kind of the price range I was thinking. I'll order a big set of blanks and get to work.

Posted on: 2022/12/16 9:43
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
Next question: what price point do folks think is fair to rent this set? It's a little time consuming to make, so I'd like to see some value out of it but I don't want to rob anyone either.

Posted on: 2022/12/15 19:26
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
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George wrote:
I would be careful about sending the lockout
keys out. Only would take one person not returning the set to loose a valuable item.


George. Good point, but most of the value of these keys is in labor I do for enjoyment - key making is a hobby for me. I'd like to make a few bucks each rental to make it worth doing, however, if my keys were not returned it would not be the most valuable tool in my shop in terms of parts. I would also charge a credit card deposit.

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BigKev wrote:
I think that if people were forced to mail out igntion switches and door handles out, they would just end up going to a local locksmith.


Then idea of getting a set of keys to "try" without having to disassemble anything is attractive. Otherwise, I'd call a local locksmith.

Just my opinion.


This is likely true. And it is also why I think making it available to folks is worthwhile. At least for me, there is a sense of satisfaction in solving your own problems. Also, I think there is a small subset of this group that would want to own a set if they are a large collector.

Sidenote: I'm not just here to sell keys. I have a good friend who's into Packards and I am getting interested too. This is one small way to get my foot in the door. I have a 2 year old and when he gets a bit older, I think we may take on a Packard restoration project together. In the meantime, I'm here to learn!

Posted on: 2022/12/15 19:19
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
I've been locksmithing as part time side gig. I have all the key codes in a database I pay to subscribe to. Was very surprised that they had Packard info, but they do!

On another thought ... would it be better if I sent out the try out keys, or asked folks to send me the lock to identify and cut a key. Maybe that is a better thought?? Just throwing spaghetti and the wall to see what sticks.

Posted on: 2022/12/14 17:34
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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It sounds like there is enough interest. I'm going to start working on it. I have several key machines and just need to order the blanks. I also have all of the packard codes and cuts for each key. I'll let you all know when it is ready!

Posted on: 2022/12/14 12:25
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Re: 1937 Packard Lock Cylinder Disassembly
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AndyCFI
Figured it out!!! It was just a bit finicky. With a working key (or picked), rotate the cylinder to the ON position. Insert a paperclip into the small hole in the side of the case. If you don't feel springiness, you're not there - keep wiggling the key around until you do.

Once you feel the spring depress with the paperclip. It may take a little bit of wiggling, but the cylinder will come out!

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Posted on: 2022/12/13 21:59
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
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BigKev wrote:
I'd be interested in the rental program. Find keys that match, note the codes for future reference, and take the matching keys to get copies made. Return the loaner set back.

I'd imagine you could charge a deposit on top of the loan fee, and the deposit is returned when you get the key set returned.

I'm willing to be a test mule for the process.


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flackmaster wrote:
Agreed. Loaner program would likely be the most cost effective, as well as fueling the commaraderie that is the point of this website.


That was my guess, but wanted to gauge interest in either option. The process is time consuming, so if someone wants to own it - I would charge a good amount.

I think a very reasonable rental fee with a fairly large deposit would help folks out and also assure my tools are returned promptly. Trying out 250 keys should not take long.

Posted on: 2022/12/13 21:54
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Re: Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
What sounds more realistic to a group like this? A loaner set with a fair rental fee; or a purchased set? I'm doing this either way for myself, but if it helps others, I'd like to offer it up.

Posted on: 2022/12/13 19:53
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Packard "Try Out" Keys
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AndyCFI
As a follow on to my first post about locks, I am a huge car enthusiast and have been for many years. I have also recently gotten into locks and key making - a longtime interest of mine.

Just a thought as I've been helping my Packard collector buddy ... could a 250 try out set ever be valuable in this community? Basically every key Packard made with the correct codes identifying them?

I ask because some of the old pot metal in these locks is delicate. Try out keys are a completely non invasive way to identify a lost key. If there was interest, I could and would produce them if we can find a fair price. I suppose we would also have to find a way to assure they arrive at a safe and HONEST home.

Thoughts?

Posted on: 2022/12/9 21:43
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