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Re: 1924 Single Eight 143 Oil Change Questions
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Hey all - I just wanted to add a couple pictures of the before situation on my vehicle. I might have to use the current "petcock" opening for the new dipstick vessel instead of the main drain plug. The reason is that I don't want to have to cut a hole in the metal. The only opening to the top is where the current "petcock lever" is located, so I figure I can just use that. The only other alternative (without cutting the metal) is to angle over to the current metal opening from the drain plug, but that seems unnecessary.

The bottom of my small auxiliary tank will become the low point of my dipstick, and the high point will be where the 8 quarts (full capacity) comes up to on the dipstick. It will probably be a month or so when I get to this project, but I'll post the results (hopefully!).

Thanks again!

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Posted on: 5/28 16:24
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Re: 1924 Single Eight 143 Oil Change Questions
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Karl wrote:
I had no choice to install this design instead of the oil drain plug. It's the optimal, lowest point for a dipstick. Furthermore, the components used were ideal without any rework. Regarding the "petrol tap opening"... my now notoriously poor English forces me to translate everything with the Google Translator... and there, "petrol tap opening" is translated as "petrol tap opening"... which in my language means "fuel tap." So, I don't know what "petrol tap opening" means. I only know petcocks as the eight brass taps on my engine's cylinder head.

Soldering the components with silver solder serves my goal of ensuring a "bullet-proof" connection between all parts and avoiding visually large transitions during the nickel plating process after this part is finished on my lathe.

It is certainly sufficient to use the well-known, good, oil-resistant thread sealants. And the nickel plating is simply a matter of aesthetics for me. By the way: After attaching the lower cover plates between the engine and the frame, only a piece of the standpipe and the cap are visible.

Karl


All makes sense. When I said "petcock", as pgh Ultramatic said, I'm referring to the old setup where that peacock was used to check if there is any oil at that low point in the engine. You removed yours and just plugged it. I will plan to do the same, I just need to double check that I can run my contraption up through the existing hole in the body. Your model does not have the sheet metal that runs the length of the engine bay at the bottom there as mine does. I could put a hole in it, but I'd prefer not to. Thanks again! If I get to doing this, I'll come back and post a photo of my much less visually appealing creation!

Posted on: 5/25 9:13
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Re: 1924 Single Eight 143 Oil Change Questions
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Karl wrote:
Hello...
Here's the photo you requested. Since the assembly is mounted directly on the oil drain plug, the slight elevation created by the adapter nut ensures that no significant residual oil remains in the oil pan. The plate mounted centrally below the oil pump should be removed after a certain period of time anyway, so that the accumulated residue can drain away.

Not...
The entire assembly consists of simple components that are available at any well-stocked plumbing store. The components are quite easy to identify in the photo. I connect the components permanently and securely by coating the threads and contact surfaces with silver solder and then screwing them together while heating. I cut a short thread into the dipstick. I drill/cut a thread of the same size into the cap and screw the dipstick in. I then solder it with silver solder. The 3-4 mm thick cap of the cap is sufficient to securely and tightly hold the dipstick in place. The slot I milled into the lid, as described above, accommodates the toggle, which I also secured with silver solder at a depth of approximately 2 mm. I don't think this construction requires a more detailed description or sizing.

I've included some links here that show where you can find these parts. The better fittings may not be in stock at HD in the US, but I´m sure they are available at well-stocked plumbing stores.

homedepot.com/s/brass%20plumbing%20fittings

google.com/search?sca_esv=55be52598c2605ca&q=messing+vernickelt+t+st%C3%BCck+sanit%C3%A4r+fittings+vernickelt&uds=AOm0WdE2fekQnsyfYEw8JPYozOKzRRbFMNp8JeIQTZ9B9srRc5UQIl0glr3ZXqspMLnat4Eda48dvAtKw1BGSoVEKaajGnvpOXE7j2uQvtz0b2OXML9pU1f8D_siuC6n1tcfoDAZMptC9D8-egJGc06D3bBaiMKeZSw0nld5ygtSTpd-0dpRQD5v1ozSEiE9hzR5jYFV8gmtDR2tzMi3-roJ7OTdz-Idd451uzh3IlPJ2AB7PlgsJB0&udm=2&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM54TB2ruNAxVqKFkFHX06JL0QxKsJegUIkwEQAQ&ictx=0&biw=1536&bih=712&dpr=1.25

amazon.com/-/de/s?k=brass+nickel+plumbing+fittings+3%2F4&page=2&xpid=ia3BTStOjzOd2&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=37MG722S0QGZB&qid=1748077105&sprefix=brass+nickel+plumbing+fittings+3%2F4+%2Caps%2C175&ref=sr_pg_2

Karl


Thanks again Karl! Your '24 is beautiful, by the way! A couple more quick questions - any reason why you decided to put this on the actual drain plug instead of using the petcock opening and keeping the drain plug original? Just curious... all things being equal, I would probably leave the drain plug and use the petcock opening unless there is a good reason not to. Maybe due to sizing it would be better to use the oil drain plug, but I'll yield to your expertise. Also, would I have to solder and nickel plate all of this or could I get away with just using pipe thread sealer. As long as it won't leak, I'll probably go with pipe thread sealer. Thanks again!

Posted on: 5/24 16:17
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Re: Battery Shutoff Switch
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Quote:

Pgh Ultramatic wrote:
Right, you need to (figuratively or literally) cut the ground (positive) cable in two then connect one end to each screw terminal on the switch. Obviously terminated properly etc.

Note if the switch has polarity markings. If so, connect the positive terminal of the switch to the positive battery terminal side and the negative terminal to the block side. The reason it might is because the pitting on the switch contacts over time will happen in a predictable way based on installation polarity. Sometimes switches are designed where they will last longer if connected with a given polarity so it will be marked. If it's not marked don't worry about it.

The switch polarity is something that the car won't notice but the switch will, so to speak.


Thank you for clarifying - I thought that was the case. I'm getting new custom made cables (00 in lieu of the current 1), which should help as well. Thanks again for all your help!

Posted on: 5/24 8:14
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Re: Battery Shutoff Switch
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Pgh Ultramatic wrote:
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Packtriots wrote:
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D_F_S wrote:
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Packtriots wrote:
TXGoat - I don't quite understand what a body feed wire is, but would love to learn more. I plan to run a cable from the ground post to the switch and another from the switch to the positive terminal.


You are receiving good advice on this question, but I would find a local expert to install your switch. There is no room for error with high current circuits. Even though you did not mean it, you described a short circuit.


Can you please explain why this is a short circuit? I'm not an expert, but I've watched several videos from guys that do a lot of repair work and they all wire the shutoff switch in this manner. Remember, I'm working with a 6v positive ground. Thank you!


He interpreted it to be the positive terminal of the battery when you (hopefully!) meant it to be the positive terminal of the starter. Though that in itself would be the wrong terminology if your car is positive ground (I don't remember but as I recall they are all positive ground except 56).

I would vote for the ground cable but once you go to install it, it may be apparent that it would be a lot easier and/or use less cable to do it one way or the other. If switching the starter cable saves effort and cable, just do that instead. The real concern is the overall quality of the installation as well as the other things mentioned in this paragraph. The switching of positive or negative is only one non-critical consideration.


Confusion again... I'll just call it the connection at the starter which right now runs directly to the negative terminal of the battery. That would stay the same. The other cable (positive) currently goes from the engine block ground to the positive battery terminal. All I'm doing is essentially putting the switch in the middle of that line, but using two cables to do it. Is that correct? That's the way I'm seeing in done in videos. Thanks!

Posted on: 5/23 20:40
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Re: Grease and Grease Gun Adapters
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Would something like this be acceptable for greasing? I'm just trying to find something that is easily found and cost effective, but I don't want to use the wrong thing either. Thanks!
amazon.com/Valvoline-Automotive-Multi-Pu ... ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pb_opt?ie=UTF8&th=1

Posted on: 5/23 17:19
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Re: 1924 Single Eight 143 Oil Change Questions
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Karl wrote:
A few days ago I came across this discussion on the subject of oil dipstick. I also wanted to be able to measure the oil level in my 1924 Sport 136 and came up with this solution. I found all the components for this in a hardware store in the plumbing department. They are made of brass and here in Germany they are all sold in inches. I think I even found the connection to the oil pan with a suitable thread. Or I made it fit on my lathe... I soldered the parts to the screwed connections with silver solder and then screwed them together while soldering heat. At the end of the horizontal pipe there is now a matching plug which serves now as a drain plug. The hat was a matching cap into which I milled a slot and soldered in a suitably manufactured 3mm brass plate to help with turning. I then polished everything and had it nickel-plated.

Karl


Karl - This is brilliant! You should start an online shop selling these! I'm not sure I have the know-how or tools to fabricate this device, but I might give it a shot. If I do, I have a couple of questions:
1. Won't the new drain plug you created be too high to drain the majority of the oil?
2. I just looked at my car again, and I now see that there is an attachment there where I could essentially remove the current oil petcock system (which I'm assuming is what you did), and just thread on a new connection? Then, after I change the oil, I can essentially mark my oil level as appropriate.
3. Any chance you could take a photo of your device from the point where it is connected to the vehicle?

Thank you!

Posted on: 5/23 15:32
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Re: Battery Shutoff Switch
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Quote:

D_F_S wrote:
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Packtriots wrote:
TXGoat - I don't quite understand what a body feed wire is, but would love to learn more. I plan to run a cable from the ground post to the switch and another from the switch to the positive terminal.


You are receiving good advice on this question, but I would find a local expert to install your switch. There is no room for error with high current circuits. Even though you did not mean it, you described a short circuit.


Can you please explain why this is a short circuit? I'm not an expert, but I've watched several videos from guys that do a lot of repair work and they all wire the shutoff switch in this manner. Remember, I'm working with a 6v positive ground. Thank you!

Posted on: 5/23 15:28
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Re: Battery Shutoff Switch
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Packard Newbie wrote:
And that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of having a 'kill' switch, wouldn't it?? In my limited DC knowledge, I cannot see any any other practical solution other than interupting the 'hot' side of the circuit. Chris.


I'm no expert by any means, but there seems to be a split of about 70% of people online saying it should go on the ground side (positive, in my case), and about 30% saying it should go on the hot side. I was planning on going with the 70% people, unless someone can make a compelling case for it to go on the hot (negative) side.
Thanks!

Posted on: 5/23 15:24
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Re: Battery Shutoff Switch
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su8overdrive wrote:
Packriots, forgive my not including more specs. You're right about different readings depending on 6/12/36-volt application, of course:

"Switch Type
Master Disconnect Switch

Material
Copper
Mounting Type
Flange Mount

Specification Met
UL
About this item

Two positions, Off-On
For 6-36V DC systems
Will disconnect the battery circuit only
Electrical ratings UL listed 375M, 250A at 6V, 125A at 12V intermittent; 40A at 6V, 20A at 12V continuous
Electrical ratings on UL labels are conservative"

Again, your starter motors do not draw more amps than the gear-reduction behemoth on my nine-mained 356-ci engine, and i've friends with such engines also long using the above Cole Hersee which well served and serves my '40 and '47 Packards since the late 1970s. No qualms, no caveats, no interference.

Saw one for $37 or so via Amazon, but i detest them, my girl and i only shopping Amazon as last ditch resort, esp. given their stunt of unwittingly enrolling millions of users in Amazon Prime, resulting in the national class action suit against Amazon a year and a half ago. Chrysler and Packard were above board concerns.

Nice to know your cars' history, or "provenance," as the auction houses say. Lovely cars. You've a full house by any measure.


Thank you sir - much appreciated! So would my earlier post about how I would wire this make sense? Instead of just running two regular battery cables, the negative would run as usual. The positive (ground) would actually be two cables: the first would go from the block ground to one side of the switch, the second would go from the other side of the switch to the negative battery terminal. One previous poster stated that that setup would be a short circuit. I'm not sure how else one would do it. Also, my floor is wood, and I was planning to mount it to the bottome side of my 3/4" floorboard and run the post through the floorboard with the knob on top. I like the Cole Hersee because it is the only one I've seen with a post that allows for up to 15/16" mounting thickness. If wood isn't a good idea, I could possibly do what you mentioned in a previous post and put it near the clutch pedal, but the wiring might be a little trickier there due to the cable runs. Thanks!

Posted on: 5/21 21:43
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