I meant to say "Kickdown". not kickup!!
My relay looks that size, but the terminals are all on one side and the mounting bkt is on the end.
My wiring appears to be the original cloth on rubber insulation, with normal brittleness and some cracking-fraying. Does not appear that the wiring harness was erver modified, but could be the relay was at sometime replaced. I will look for some other mounting holes. Seems to work fine as it is, but maybe I should discretely add a fuse to the hot wire??
BTW, John, thanks for letting me jump in on your thread!
Dennis

What I see is a small black 3 terminal relay, mounted low on firewall, near the kickup switch, with no fuse. The center wire is hot, from the starter rly, the rear wire goes to the kickup sw, and the front goes thru the firewall. Could I have the R6?

Sounds good, John, hope your conversion goes well! BTW, since I have a '48 288 in my '39 packard, I am not certain which version of OD I really have. Could it be that an R9 was retrofitted with the service engine replacement? Would someone please explain how I can tell which one I've got?
Thanks!

John,
I just joined the group last week and started another thread concerning the wierd engine number on my 39 120 formal sedan (thank all of you guys for your expert acvice on that!!) , and I am reading this and noticed you are close by in Modesto. I am just over the hill in San Jose. I have an R6 on my 39 which I believe to be the factory set up, so if it would ever be helpful to you to take a look at mine during your conversion, and you don't mind driving over to San Jose, you are welcome. If you want, we could exchange emails.
You can find my car just recently entered in the owner's registry, a 1292 bodied 1939 120. Mind you, I am NOT a Packard expert, my other cars are Imperials and a DeSoto!! But I do attempt all my own restoration work.
Regards, Dennis in the east hills of San Jose, CA

OK, now this car is in the registry. If you see anything there you think needs changing, please let me know.
I am still working on getting a replacement oil pan so she can be back out on the road, where she belongs!

Also, I used to have a working thermostat unit in the radiator, which opened and closed the grille louvers, but it lost most of its ether and quit. Where can I get that repaired or replaced??

Gotchya!!
I will re-enter my car in the registry today.
Thanks!!

For the Webmaster:
I think I completed entering my car in the registry. Do I need to wait to see it appear until it gets reviewed?
I got thru the entire entry pages and thought I was done.
I will wait till tomorrow before trying again.
Thanks,

What you say all makes good sense to me. I may have been on the right track about this being a service or crate engine, but as you pointed out, the "CE" does not apparently indicate that. It signifies the larger oil pan, and later version camshaft, per the service bulletin you referred to above.

I can add that the car is currently registered with Calif DMV under this engine number, without the "CE" but with the "CAL", so that the VIN is "N235361CAL". Since my uncle John got it out of a wrecking yard, it has a "salvaged" title, and the registration only dates back to when he got it back into the computer in the mid-'70s. He knew that it did not have the original engine, but had no further details on when or where it was changed.

His assumption always was that the car spent its life in Northern California, since it was sold in Roseville, near Sacramento, and wound up in the salvage yard in Pittsburg, CA, on the San Francisco Bay. We are located in San Jose, about 50 miles South of SF.

I have no earlier papers, since those apparently did not survive the salvage yard. Uncle John would have given me anything if he had it. He was a member of Packards International, but I have not kept that membership up myself.

Kanter probably has enough to go on now, to get me a good oil pan. I am anxious to get her back together and on the road! She is a good highway car, with the 3 speed overdrive, and likes to cruise at 65 mph, no sweat!! Smooth!!

Thanks for your help and advice, and I am glad to be a member and to bring you guys this little mystery to work on. If anyone has any further insights, keep posting.
I will take the info I have, and go ahead and put my Packard into the registry. I'll let you know when she is back in operation.
Dennis

Yeah, this is pretty much what I was trying to say in my very first post starting this thread. I agree with you!

I took some clear pictures of the number, which I shall post here, and also two shots of my current messed-up oil pan for your comments:

Note that the block casting bears the date 12 7 48. Is is reasonable to assume that they had '48 castings still around after the last of the "M" series? I suspect they could have, but you may have a better idea of this.

I'm sending these pics to Kanter to help them find me the right pan.
Thanks for all your help!
Dennis

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There is no sign that the pan has been modified. The reason for replacing it is that it got water in it back when the car was in the salvage yard, and rusted the bottom inside pretty severly, with lots of thinspots. Some pinholes had formed, and when uncle John (now deceased) did the "cosmetic" restoration, he sanded down the outside surface and painted it with epoxy. That held up for about 25 yrs and kept the oil in, but began to separate and started leaking progressively worse over the last several years. Finally, last month it got really ugly, so I pulled it off and sandblasted it, exposing the thin spots and many small holes. I tried brazing them up, but the floor of the pan is so thin and impregnated with oil, that the torch heat just cracks the metal and creates more holes. I probably also had the torch too hot, too much O2, so the metal buckled up and it is a total mess! Well, that's the story, probably more than you wanted to know!
I'm going out to try again to get a picture of that engine number and post it in the morning.