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I would reach out to Gerry at Packards Southwest
Posted on: 2023/11/22 20:55
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Re: 5699 parts questions
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===================== You are describing what In the convertible business in the USA would be commonly known as a "header bow." On Caribbeans this component is made of an alloy one step or two up from Kirksite. You will certainly want to avoid going to the extreme of casting or milling such a component. And even if you did perform such a casting or milling, you really don't want to change the metal. Weight and balance here are extremely critical (aside from mating two dissimilar metals). Anything that would upset the weight and balance could be disastrous to the power top mechanism and overall operation. Plus you would need to fabricate not merely the header bow, but also the tack strip retainer, tack strip, seal, and latches. That's a lot! You are better off looking for existing parts. There are indeed parts around, but it will take a lot of looking. Good luck.
Posted on: 2023/11/22 22:12
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Thanks for your reply Leeedy. I think my description of the part was poorly worded though, I didn't mean the chromed bow that goes on the convertible top itself. I meant the top part of the windshield frame at the front of the car, the part that the convertible top attaches to.
I believe that part to be cast in Zamac/Kirksite originally. I am hesitant to recast it in a different material too of course, it'd change the weight distribution of the car but not sure to what degree. I think it will be challenging to find that particular part.
Posted on: 2023/11/24 16:44
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Filip,
Although Leeedy didn't have any luck contacting the seller of a '56 Caribbean in this thread maybe you'll have better luck? If its fairly complete this car might provide many of the parts you are seeking, especially if it has the 2 x 4bbl manifold, carburettors and air cleaner. There are only 2 photos in the ad that, I can see, so I don't know if these parts are still on the car.
Posted on: 2023/11/24 17:28
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No problem... I perfectly understood your reference. A casting is a casting. And what you refer to is known in the North American convertible business as a "header bow." Again... a header bow for a 1956 Caribbean involves several pieces: • the bow itself • a trim retainer • a tack strip • a weatherstrip retainer • a weatherstrip • a pair of latches As a retired Lead Engineer for a car corporation for North America, and as someone who has owned well over 100 convertibles... and a shop where we replaced tops, I assure you that I know these tops. I have also designed tops and developed convertibles at the OEM level. I know convertibles In every possible way. Very, very well. Especially for the Caribbean. When you say "chrome bow that goes on the convertible top itself" you must be be referencing the stainless steel trim covering on the main rear bow, not the front bow. There was no bright trim on the front bow of a 1956 Caribbean convertible top. Only on the rear bow. And this original stainless trim today is usually missing as well. It is comprised of a U-shaped retainer channel that attaches directing to the exterior of the rear bow. This channel was then covered with a bright stainless steel trim finisher with a screw on each end. A lot of modern-day trim shops toss these pieces and substitute trim-shop short-cuts like a thing called a "wire-on" or worse... a thing called a "hidem." Bad ideas for a Caribbean top. There was also a stainless trim strip at the rear beltline location, where the fabric attached to the body. Again, these pieces are often thrown away by modern trim shops that do not understand these parts are urgently required. As for differences in vehicle weight distribution... this is not critical, especially with Torsion-Level suspension. But weight distribution on the convertible top itself is very sensitive. The power mechanism was designed to lower and raise only so much weight. And a heavy header bow can totally change the center-of-gravity which can alter the require folding specs. Whole topstack frames or just header bows are indeed around. You just have to look. One was on eBay some time back. And another was loose in the recent auction that took place in New York state. There is another in Ohio. These are not impossible components to find. Just depends on patience and how much you want to spend. Never be in a hurry on such things. Take your time, look around diligently and eventually you will have success.
Posted on: 2023/11/24 19:04
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Thanks for the reply, Leeedy. I do not think we are talking about the same part though. The part is not attached to the moving part of the convertible top, it's the part which the rear view mirror and the sun visors are attached to. I think from reading what you've said so far, that the header bow must be what clips onto it when the top is raised.
I'm sorry for the mix-up in parts discussed, it'd be easier if I had a photo to use but I took no photo of the one my friend has shown me. Nevertheless, your words are very insightful when it comes to the Caribbean's convertible top. This car will be my first convertible thus far, so there's plenty for me to learn. I still do not know how complete the top itself is, I know the "frame" of it is still there, and I have some of the original top left which has been taken off before I got involved. I'd be happy to show you some of the photos I have of the car as it looks at the moment. I am also purchasing it from the current owner of 1001, so I have some up-to-date photos of that too. Can do this over email if you wish. I will definitely take my time with searching for all the different parts for the car, as I accept it won't be a short-term project seeing as most of the car is in bits and pieces.
Posted on: 2023/11/24 21:01
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Posted on: 2023/11/25 1:03
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We have 2 Carbs
One NOS carb that has been rebuilt and one used one also just rebuilt. Private message sent. Charod Marshall Kanter Auto Products
Posted on: 2023/11/27 9:07
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I have two complete convertible top racks for your Caribbean, 520-336-0057 Tucson Packard
Posted on: 2023/11/27 9:50
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