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Kelvin, This is the owner of the 53 Caribbean that may or may not be the prototype/showcar. I promise you the car is real as are the questions and requests. If you are able to assist me on this endeavor please contact me.
Thanks
Posted on: 2016/11/8 17:16
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G'day 49 matt,
See you've been a member for quite some time, but first post, so  I invite you to include the prototype(!) '53 Caribbean and any other Packard/s in the Packard Owner's Registry.
Posted on: 2016/11/8 21:43
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/o[]o\ ====  Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this?  Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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i say fishy because just tell us the serial number of the car from the original vin plate. If it isnt 26782001 it's not the first Caribbean, period. Post some pictures? Why do they NOT wants details shared on this site? The facts will simply stand on their own.
Posted on: 2016/11/19 3:01
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Not quite that simple, Kelvin.
First, a prototype would have preceded the first production unit, so they are not the same vehicle. Secondly, we don't know a lot about how Packard numbered pre-production vehicles over the years, but we do know from surviving Packard records that in 1955 the sequential numbers for prototypes and pre-production vehicles began at 101, not 1001. So it's highly likely that a true prototype '53 Caribbean would have had a VN other than 2678-2001, perhaps 2678-201 if they followed the same logic as in 1955.
Posted on: 2016/11/19 9:34
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Owen is quite correct. As someone who worked in this business all my life, I can tell you. The "first" of any line, including the Caribbeans, is not necessarily going to be numbered as serial number one of a production series. It just doesn't work that way. And there is a difference between "prototype"... "pilot production" and "production." First production Caribbean would have been 001... but that is production. And the first 1953 Caribbean was not a "production Caribbean" vehicle, but rather, based on a regular production convertible that had to be modified. I have personally worked on prototype and pilot prodction cars for car makers that were actually based on previous year's production cars and thus numbered that way. Some even had no numbers-although this is almost impossible in modern times. All the more reason why people should stop trying to use serial-number information in a vacuum. One needs to understand the background of how these cars got built. Also on a personal basis, I rode in the very first operable 1956 Packard Caribbean... in 1955. But it was not really a 1956 Caribbean and I am sure was not numbered that way. It was actually a 1955 Caribbean refitted to look like 1 1956. Despite looking like a 1956, it still had several 1955 features if you looked close... as well as features that never made actual production (like seats that were different). Connecting the dots and using "if this, therefore that" logic will not work when it comes to determining numbering and status of prototypes and pilot production cars. It just isn't that simple.
Posted on: 2016/11/19 11:18
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briggs body tag 2579-2954 denotes car as a 52 conv.
a pillar number 2678-2954 denotes car as 53 Caribbean. The numbers on this plate have been hand stamped over the original numbers. I have been trying to establish this cars pedigree for awhile. It has been a slow process as I myself am a doubting Thomas.
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Posted on: 2017/3/2 19:16
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/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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OK people,
1) Packard or even a Packard dealer NEVER restamped over an existing data plate. This was a federal crime in 1930, a crime in 1953, and a crime today. It's called fraud. They would have obtained a new data plate and did it correctly. 2) How is this websites roster reliable now? Ozstatman has now declared this to be the Caribbean Prototype? 3) The owner should just post extensive pictures of this car and let the experts decide. They say "let me assure you" etc... Why all the secrecy? why no picture? Do they think it will auction sell for $400,000 now? 4) In the 1980's i was heavily involved in researching 1940's and 1950's supposed GM prototypes. 10% turned out to be legit prototypes, bUT 45% of these turned out to period rebuilt wrecks using parts and vin plates off of other cars, 45% of these with uncorrelating data plates turned out to be cars stolen early in their life where they simply tried to hide the real vin plate. Think about it, the briggs plate was easy to switch out, the other plate was popriveted on to prevent theft and tampering so restamping it would make sense....
Posted on: 2017/3/8 4:46
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Kelvin wrote: OK people, Regarding "2) How is this websites roster reliable now? Ozstatman has now declared this to be the Caribbean Prototype?" Whoa there As to the reliability of the Registry, it's only as reliable as the information posted by the members when they record their Packards in it. I acknowledge that I'm far from being a Packard "expert" so, unless there is a glaring irregularity that even I can see, I mainly confine my activities to alerting members of duplicate entries then deleting same.
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/o[]o\ ==== Bowral, Southern Highlands of NSW, Australia "Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche. 1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD 1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD 1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD 1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD What's this? Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry! Here's how! Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com |
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