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Leeedy

Re: Packard Bikes

#141

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Luvmyboyz wrote:
Looking for help to identify this prewar ASC Packard bicycle. I believe it to be 1940

By now you likely are aware that ASC serial number records prior to 1948 were destroyed in a fire. I have all of the original records direct from ASC (not the internet). Saved these records in the 1970s and they are not the same as you might see on the internet or in "books." NBHAA's Schwinn serial numbers fill a large binder. NBHAA has serial number projections as well. But no matter who says otherwise, ASC prewar serial numbers are nowhere near as easy and concrete to decode as some would have you think.

What makes you think this bicycle is 1940 and not 1941 or 1942?

Anyway, what you have here in the photos is rather wildly customized with non-original parts and new paint. For instance the The scallop paint patterns are not for this frame and the rear hub appears to be from the 1960s. The handlebar-mounted Delta light was never originally used on this bicycle. The headlight on the front fender is from the 1960s... the seat appears to be a modern repop from the 1980s-90s...and there are other changes.

In order to get a proper identification a lot more photos would be needed. And with so many original parts missing/changed parts and paint changed you would need to start with all of the details (wheel size, hub types, headbadge pic and type, sprocket pic, guard pics, detailed fender pics, etc. etc.).

Even far better to see pics of what it looked like before it was customized.

A good, complete set of photos is the starting place to get an accurate ID done.

Posted on: 2022/12/29 14:55

Ozstatman

Re: Packard Bikes

#142

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Hey Leeeeeedy,

Did I get the number of e's right?

Second question, found the photo below on Facebook and seeing you're now identifying bikes for people(not really) thought you might be able shed some light on the one pictured.

Purely meant to be a "fun" post.

I know this is a serious thread and will delete this post if you so desire.

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Posted on: 2022/12/30 0:00

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Luvmyboyz

Re: Packard Bikes

#143

Just popping in

Here are a few more. I have taken a lot already just kinda figuring this forum out

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Posted on: 2022/12/30 8:38

JWL

Re: Packard Bikes

#144

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Maybe we need a Packard Bikes section. What do folks here think?

Posted on: 2022/12/30 15:27

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And make happen
What occupies our mind... (W. Scherer)

Luvmyboyz

Re: Packard Bikes

#145

Just popping in

I would be interstested

Posted on: 2022/12/30 16:55

humanpotatohybrid

Re: Packard Bikes

#146

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And one for Packard organs too 😉

Completely unrelated to the car company except from, I suspect, sharing a good amount of clientele from the expense of their products, this other Packard company made organs and pianos around the turn of the 20th century. A big name in pump organs from that time, a fair number survive to this day.

I find it interesting that the logos bear some resemblance to each other, though I figure this is just a coincidence due to the style of the time. The logo below was from c. 1898, well before Packard's name debut in 1903. Though it's remotely possible that the brothers Packard would have known of the organ company though as they purchased a "Welte Philharmonic Salon Model 4" (not Packard!) organ in 1912 for their summer home in Michigan. It would have been astronomically expensive, having about 250 pipes plus 3 piece percussion, highly decorated in appearance, with full self-playing capability, with another of the same model being purchased by White Star for the luxurious Titanic but was luckily not completed in time for the first voyage! Amazingly, all the pipes shown on the outside are nonfunctional and are only for appearance. The organ today is in working condition in the Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.

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Posted on: 2022/12/30 17:12

Leeedy

Re: Packard Bikes

#147

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Quote:

Ozstatman wrote:
Hey Leeeeeedy,

Did I get the number of e's right?

Second question, found the photo below on Facebook and seeing you're now identifying bikes for people(not really) thought you might be able shed some light on the one pictured.

Purely meant to be a "fun" post.

I know this is a serious thread and will delete this post if you so desire.

Ahhhh. Hello Oz. Just "Leeedy" with 3 e's is sufficient.

Wow. Somebody in the land of paper money with clear windows sure loves a wild shade of green!

You should know that yours truly has been identifying vintage American-made bicycles since the 1960s. Been collecting them and literature about them since the 1950s. So not something recently begun.

Okay... so we have a photo of a White sewing machine (while morphed in the photo into a "neverwas")... there are other aspects related to bicycles here.

White (once one of the largest sewing machine manufacturers) also did indeed make bicycles... and eventually steam automobiles.

Also note when the original literature refers to "Wheels" it was simply another way that bicycles back then were known. So synonymous with wheels were bicycles that the terms were used interchangeably for many decades.

Here, courtesy of Leon Dixon and National Bicycle History Archive of America (NBHAA.com) are samples of original White literature from the late 1800s.

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Posted on: 2022/12/31 2:04

Leeedy

Re: Packard Bikes

#148

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Quote:

Luvmyboyz wrote:
Here are a few more. I have taken a lot already just kinda figuring this forum out

Okay... but important things that need to be seen are not in these photos. Show the right-hand view of the bicycle with sprocket. Show the chain guard. Show the rear of the frame where it joins the seatpost. Show the fork details. Show the tire size. Show the rear hub brake arm. Remove the crank and show all digits or alpha characters on the inner crossmember.

Also, again, what the reason to believe this bicycle is 1940?

1.) From what is visible in these photos, we've discussed previously. Only thing possibly from 1940 showing here is the frame.

2.) Rear hub is from early 1960s and appears to be a Bendix red-band, custom-modified with an older inch-pitch sprocket. Not original to this frame.

3.) Headlight is from a 1960s middleweight.

4.) Fenders do not appear to be original type for either 1940-41-42. Fenders would have been larger.

5.) Braces do not appear to be original Schwinn type... and Schwinn did not attach braces with screws as done here. Instead, original braces were riveted.

6.) A 1940-42 model would have had truss rods on the front fork.

7.) The saddle is a reproduction/replica from the 1980s-90s... and is not the type original to this bicycle.

8.) Grips are modern reproductions resembling older Schwinn-Built grips, but this bicycle would not have used this type when new.

Shield-type ASC "Packard" headbadge has had all paint and plating removed. Please scroll back in this thread to see how originals would have appeared.

Hope this helps.

Posted on: 2022/12/31 2:23

Leeedy

Re: Packard Bikes

#149

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Quote:

humanpotatohybrid wrote:
And one for Packard organs too 😉

Completely unrelated to the car company except from, I suspect, sharing a good amount of clientele from the expense of their products, this other Packard company made organs and pianos around the turn of the 20th century. A big name in pump organs from that time, a fair number survive to this day.

I find it interesting that the logos bear some resemblance to each other, though I figure this is just a coincidence due to the style of the time. The logo below was from c. 1898, well before Packard's name debut in 1903. Though it's remotely possible that the brothers Packard would have known of the organ company though as they purchased a Packard would have known of the organ company though as they purchased a "Welte Philharmonic Salon Model 4" (not Packard!) organ in 1912 for their summer home in Michigan. It would have been astronomically expensive, having about 250 pipes plus 3 piece percussion, highly decorated in appearance, with full self-playing capability, with another of the same model being purchased by White Star for the luxurious Titanic but was luckily not completed in time for the first voyage! Amazingly, all the pipes shown on the outside are nonfunctional and are only for appearance. The organ today is in working condition in the Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.

Okay. We discussed Packard Piano Company and similar logos, etc. earlier in this thread. Scroll back and have a look.

Posted on: 2022/12/31 2:31