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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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JW, thanks for refreshing the topic.

No, I haven't yet spoken again to the gentleman who has the board meeting minutes, but I have done some other investigating which seems to reject the hypothesis that the tag shown in post #20 of this thread is an early pre-war Briggs tag. I've looked at 3 41 senior Packards with conventional (but not LeBaron) bodies, and no tag - so, so far so good. Then I looked at another 41 LeBaron and no tag though there was a rivet hole were it might have been expected and I couldn't see if there was a second hole as it's probable location was covered by the horn bracket. And then I did have a friend examine is his 1942 Clipper and it had no tag. If the thinking was correct, the 2nd LeBaron and the 42 Clipper would have had a tag like that in post #20. That kind of leaves it all uncertain again as for now.

Posted on: 2012/1/27 18:22
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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...other investigating which seems to reject the hypothesis that the tag shown in post #20 of this thread is an early pre-war Briggs tag...


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picture from #20

Dave (O_D), right after seeing the 41 LeBaron body tag it occured to me to have seen a prewar Ford with a body made by Briggs. It came without embossed "Briggs" branding and used another number system but:

- it was the same small tin strip
- screwed left and right
- radiused at both ends (I believe)

It seems to be something special because "usual" prewar Ford bodies have the known Briggs body number tag as shown below. If you deem it worthy, I feel optimistic about finding a pic.

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Posted on: 2012/1/27 20:56
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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Packard has more questions than I could ever imagine. It seems like every time a question is asked there are several opinions and no definite resolution. At least there is the board minutes, but they may not reveal what really happened.

Maybe the question to be asked is: Does anyone out there with a 1941-42 Clipper or Packard have one with a Briggs body tag?

We'll wait and see what develops...

(o[]o)

Posted on: 2012/1/27 21:54
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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John, perhaps and even probably I'm at fault but as long as the curtain isn't lift let's keep the door open to root for the underdog theory.
Here comes a first search result.

Not a real picture but an enlarged thumbnail.
And not a Ford but and Olds.
And nobody is talking about Briggs.
And it is from a postwar car.
And it is fixed with hex head screws instead of slotted-head screws.
And unfortuately I can't offer the story behind the pic because the link isn't working anymore.

But we come closer. It is just to show you that the hunt is on.


sources:
pic #1:cr4.globalspec.com
pic #2: somewhere at www.jalopyjournal.com

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Posted on: 2012/1/28 3:24
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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Dave, do we know the VIN # of the LeBaron?

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... the Briggs number should match the vehicle number in the first (left-most) set of digits, and is usually quite close, often matching, to the VN...[Dave(O_D) 2009/11/17]


Is this knowledge helpful for a clear assignment of the LeBaron tag to Briggs? To put it another way: Does the first (left-most) set of digits match the VIN# from the LeBaron?

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Posted on: 2012/1/28 18:20
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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Gusha, the "1421" does correspond to a 1941 LeBaron 7-pass sedan which the vehicle was. Whether the patent plate showed it as car #8 (VN #1421-2008) I don't know.

What we really need to do is get observations from 1941 and 1942 Clippers, and specifically do they have tags similar to the one on LeBaron #8.

Posted on: 2012/1/28 18:32
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...Now if I had a picture of a tag from a 41 or 42 Clipper and they had the same size, style, font, etc., then I think we might be able to draw a conclusion...[Dave, Posted on: 1/13 20:43:39]


Dave, what do I search for ever since 1/13 20:43:39? You have three guesses.

Posted on: 2012/1/28 20:31
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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Gusha, you're observation from a pre-war Briggs-built Ford may or may not be significant - we'll just have to await more observations and information. Thanks for thinking about it.

Posted on: 2012/1/29 14:35
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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You're welcome. I have sent an e-mail to Dan (41ParPack)...

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...and Denny (Denny Z).


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Posted on: 2012/1/29 16:01
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Re: East Grand Blvd., Conner Ave. or even Moscow?
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Thanks to Denny for a lightning-fast reply. His car [edit] either neither has a Briggs body number [edit] or nor other indications directed to Briggs.
Another e-mail sent to this owner of a 1941 Clipper.




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