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Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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My '41 limo was changed to 15" rims early in the 50's and I decided to convert it back to the original rims. Ten years ago I bought some 16" rims from a reputable Packard parts dealer. They were marked "41 LeBaron". I also bought some inner trim rings, outer trim rings and the 180 hubcaps from another reputable Packard parts dealer.

The inner trim rings - though guaranteed to be 1941 Packard - did not fit! We tried them out on the two original spares that came with the car and they did not fit those either. But the outer trim rings and the hubcaps fit the "LeBaron" rims fine. I found another set of inner trim rings and just found out they don't fit! The problem this time is the "LeBaron" rims! They were very closely checked out and it turns out there is a slight difference between these rims and another Packard rim where the trim rings and hubcap fit.

So now I have to search for four more rims and what the heck am I searching for? How can I possibly know what is correct or not? Meanwhile, I have two '41 Henneys which have a total of 8 16" rims. The Henney's were basically 120s with a few 180 parts tossed in.

Big question...is there a difference in wheels between Packard models or should the 180 inner and outer trim rings and the hubcaps fit on the Packard-Henney rims? The limo is in Idaho and the Henneys are in California so I can't pull the hubcaps and trim rings and try them out.

It's been over ten years since I bought the rims and the first set of inner trim rings and no one is taking them back. So I now have $1,000 invested in worthless rims and inner trim rings. Grrr...!!!

Posted on: 2011/10/14 16:16
'41 180 limo
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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I am not an expert, but I believe there are 16" 110 wheels and different 16" 160/180 wheels. Henney's as you say are a mix of Junior and Senior parts. Smarter people will take it from here

Posted on: 2011/10/14 16:22
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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This just in...the shop sent photos of the "LeBaron" rims vs. the original 180 spare rim.

IMG-6325 shows the "LeBaron" rim.
IMG-6326 shows the raised piece behind each wheel bolt hole that is causing the problem of attaching the inner trim ring.

IMG-6328 is my original spare.
IMG-6329 shows that there isn't a raised piece around the wheel nut.

So...based on that raised bit of metal by each bolt hole, any idea what Packard that "LeBaron" rim actually goes to?

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Posted on: 2011/10/14 19:06
'41 180 limo
'41 Henney Service Car
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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Your "LeBaron" rims look exactly like the rims on my 1940 Super 8 180. There should be no reason why the inner trim rings wouldn't fit. Those raised areas have nothing to do with the trim ring, and don't come anywhere near it.

I suggest you post a picture of the "inner trim ring" that you're trying to install. It doesn't sound right. The correct trim ring should only go about 1/8th of an inch under the hub cap.

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Posted on: 2011/10/18 12:47
West Peterson
1930 Packard Speedster Eight Runabout (boattail)
1940 Packard 1808 w/Factory Air
1947 Chrysler Town and Country sedan
1970 Camaro RS

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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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I was going to post pretty much exactly what West posted but was waiting for the battery on my camera to charge so I could take some pictures of a 16" inner trim ring and the wheels on my '41. With West's picture I don't need to. I agree with West that the presence or absence of 'bumps' in that area should be irrelevant to the installation of an inner trim ring (if we are all talking about the same thing). I only have one inner trim ring that fits my '41 180 Limo (I have a very spiffy set of 4 for 15" wheels that I'm going to put on eBay one of these days).

Posted on: 2011/10/18 13:09
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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If you still decide you want to sell those rims, though, let me know.

Posted on: 2011/10/18 13:22
West Peterson
1930 Packard Speedster Eight Runabout (boattail)
1940 Packard 1808 w/Factory Air
1947 Chrysler Town and Country sedan
1970 Camaro RS

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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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Do your wheels have the raised areas in question? Mine do.

Posted on: 2011/10/18 13:25
West Peterson
1930 Packard Speedster Eight Runabout (boattail)
1940 Packard 1808 w/Factory Air
1947 Chrysler Town and Country sedan
1970 Camaro RS

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http://aaca.org/
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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Nope... No bumps.

Posted on: 2011/10/18 13:47
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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I do not know what or why the difference with the bump near the wheel bolt. I just bought 3 40-42 16x 5" 160/180 wheels, none with that bump. My only additional comment would be to verify the width of your wheels. 38-39 are 16 x 4.5", while 40-42 are 5" wide. Maybe that is the visual clue?

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Posted on: 2011/10/18 14:43
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Re: Are 180 wheels different than 120?
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additional note: 37-38 Senior rim, also used on 39 and later Commerical/HD suspensions....note the wheel bolt bump. But this wheel has a 5.5" bolt circle...

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Posted on: 2011/10/18 14:57
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