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Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)
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Gusha, you got some better pics than I did a few years ago...

Mike, I'm with you, with view to the distinctive turn signals it seems to be the same car.


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1938 was the one year in which a decal was used in lieu of the plate.

Yes Mal, you are right.

Posted on: 2013/7/15 6:59
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1938 was the one year in which a decal was used in lieu of the plate.

True, except for Canadian production which continued to use the metal plate in 1938.

Posted on: 2013/7/15 11:07
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With view to the great condition of this 400 my mouth is watering. The VIN plate is made in Germany, the price tag too ($39,000). Many thanks to the seller for submitting the data.

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Posted on: 2013/7/16 1:21
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Thanks for the #s.

Posted on: 2013/7/16 9:08
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Gerd, beautiful 1955 Four Hundred. Amazingly nice condition. Interesting German vehicle info sticker to go along with the Packard, not Briggs, plate on the driver door. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted on: 2013/7/16 9:29
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John, thanks. As Dave and others often pointed out, there shouldn't be a Briggs body number when the Packard isn't between 1941 and 1954. My pic description above is wrong.
Today a 1941 car, so possibly within the range but nevertheless without Briggs body number. The seller couldn't find a tag.
Dave, are the pics sufficent to catch the #s or do we need a second try? Click to enlarge.

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Posted on: 2013/7/16 23:08
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Gerd, I think we have determined that the bodies for the 1941 and 1942 non-Clipper models were not built by Briggs. They only did the Clipper bodies in those years. Please let us know if you come across one of the non-Clippers with a Briggs body tag. So far, none have been located.

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Posted on: 2013/7/17 10:48
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That's right JW, we finally confirmed that from the details of the Briggs contract as it was recorded in the minutes of a Board of Directors Meeting.

On another front I'm still slugging away entering into my database the information from the 450 or so 22nd/23rd series cars from the original Vehicle Delivery Records from McCormack Bros Auto Sales of Birmingham, AL. Since I have it handy I'm also recording paint and trim information and some may find it interesting that, at least for cars sold by this dealership, out of about 350 records reviewed thus far,

1. Despite 7 two-tone paint combinations available for the 22nd series cars, only 1 car thus far had two-tone paint. This may well explain why 2-tone paint offerings were dropped for the 23rd series. And just my opinion, but unlike the 21st series which can look stunning in two-tone, the 22nd/23rd never wore 2-tone graciously.

2. The least popular color by a long shot is Sardonyx Brown, only 1 vehicle. Most popular is pretty much a split between Grenadier Maroon, Lowell Gray and Sylvan Green.

Posted on: 2013/7/17 16:35
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Gerd, I think we have determined that the bodies for the 1941 and 1942 non-Clipper models were not built by Briggs...

Yes John, again right. I still remember this substantial thread including the eye-opening minutes of meeting from Dave, which can be found here.

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...Please let us know if you come across one of the non-Clippers with a Briggs body tag...

The efforts were unsuccessful, otherwise I would have raised red flags.

Dave, are the pics above sufficent to read the #s of the 1941 Packard or do we need a second try?

Today a short excursion to the Kingdom of Belgium, where a Packard Six is asking to change hands. Well, again a 1938 and its decal is long gone. Let's listen to Dave:

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... 1938 #s have been among the hardest to come by. As to the VN, 1938 was the one and only year that Packard used a decal rather than a metal plate; ... But if you can't get the original VN from prior documentation or owners, there really isn't any significant chance that the # can be recovered. Somewhere along the line of ownership and titles it was recorded, if you can trace it back far enough, that's about the only chance...[2009/3/23]

The salesman did his best and submitted a copy of the registration document (attached) but ...

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Posted on: 2013/7/17 23:06
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Gusha, thanks for both sets of numbers.

Posted on: 2013/7/18 8:00
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