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Re: "Waking Sleeping Beauty" .... The Blog!
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Don't remember if you changed or did anything to the fuel pump, but if not then the old rubber with new gas won't last long. Might save a lot of trouble to just order a new kit from then & nowhttp://www.maritimedragracing.com/antique_auto_parts_cellar.htm and do that while the carb is being done.

Might also be a good idea to replace that flex hose at front of engine from steel gas line to pump. I have had issues with that hose on a couple of cars. On one the lining became cracked and brittle. A piece managed to move enough that under suction, it would periodically swing into the flow and block the line.

Posted on: 2011/2/13 15:30
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Hey Howard,

Now that you mention it, I haven't done anything to the fuel pump except hook a new hose from it to a 6 gallon gas can. Actually, I was a little surprised it worked at all. I looked up the link you sent me and liked what I saw. I'll order a kit tomorrow. I think they are the one that supplied the kit that my mechanic used on my '51 (which may be ready for me to test drive Thursday).

Good point about the old rubber. I know that hose didn't bend but broke when I tried to remove it from the pump. I also noticed yesterday that the vast majority of rubber vacuum hoses - like the ones clamped to the fire wall for the windshield wiper motor are as hard as iron. So hard, that I'd bet that they were put on by Packard workers 56 years ago. The ones over the intake manifold aren't any more flexible. I've got a reel of new gas hose but when I pick up the kit I'll pick up some new vacuum hose as well.

I'm a little disappointed that the carb rebuild place I mentioned is in "limbo". I've rebuilt 2 barrels before but not a 4. However, with the group's help, the FSM and a little luck I'm going to give it a try. I just hope the floats have held up.
Thank you for your suggestions, Howard - they are appreciated. Feel free to send any other thoughts you may have. That goes for everyone else as well.

Posted on: 2011/2/13 18:16
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There has been a carb rebuilder/ restorer mentioned here by either Owen_Dyneto who, I believe is located in Daytona, FL. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it at the time so I can't give you the link.

Perhaps Dave would be kind enough to give the name of the shop again.

Posted on: 2011/2/13 19:28
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Daytona Parts is the place. They are also sell rebuild kits that are top notch. I have one of their kits in my Carb.

http://www.daytonaparts.com/

Posted on: 2011/2/13 20:00
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Re: "Waking Sleeping Beauty" .... The Blog!
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I pulled the carb and called Savas Tuning here in Portland to get them to rebuild my carb. They've done great work for me in the past but now I get some strange recording about a huge back log, yada, yada, yada and it looks like they can't do it.


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I'm a little disappointed that the carb rebuild place I mentioned is in "limbo". I've rebuilt 2 barrels before but not a 4.


I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but......
Paul Savas ran for county Commissioner for Clackamas County and won. Which is good for the county, but terribly bad for anyone who needs carb work done. He had been doing our Business Carb rebuilds for years, and was very good at it.

I haven't found anyone locally to do any good carbs yet, but If I do I'll let you know.

Posted on: 2011/2/13 20:57
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[/quote

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but......
Paul Savas ran for county [Commissioner for Clackamas County and won. Which is good for the county, but terribly bad for anyone who needs carb work done. He had been doing our Business Carb rebuilds for years, and was very good at it.}

I haven't found anyone locally to do any good carbs yet, but If I do I'll let you know. /quote]

I'm sorry to hear that. However, if he's as good with Counties as he is with carbs; Clackamas is in good shape!

Please do let me know if you find anyone as good. It'll be tough to find anyone better.

Stephen and Big Kev: I wish I'd held off on ordering the kit from NAPA. I should have asked here first. You'd think someday I'd learn - though I can't imagine when! If I don't achieve great results doing it myself I'll take your suggestion and ship it off to Florida. Though patience isn't always my long suite, I am familiar with the saying: "Why is there never enough time to do a thing right, but always enough time to do it over".

My thanks again to Howard, Stephen, Big Kev and as always, Portlandon.

Posted on: 2011/2/13 23:47
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Re: "Waking Sleeping Beauty" .... The Blog!
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Bad news this morning!
Mike from American Metal Clean who was working on the fuel tank from my '55 called to say my tank is toast. I can't say I was really shocked or even surprised. It appears that the water level that floated on top of the dead gas not only ate the bottom of the fuel sending unit (I'll post pictures if I ever figure out how) also ate the tank at the water line. He said the top half of the tank may be salvageable. I'll call Tom at Able Radiator in Milwaukie, OR to see if he's up to making a bottom half and how much. But I imagine I'll have to call Max Merritt about their reconditioned tanks. Please, if anyone has any experience of these or any other ideas - please jump in!
Actually, it really kind of tics me off! Packard (and many other makes of the era) thoughtfully provided drain plugs in their fuel tanks. I imagine it was so owners who didn't want their cars subjected to snow and salt could put them up for the season AND DRAIN THE DAMN GAS TANK! Why the two brothers who thoughtfully stored the car in a heated garage for 26 years didn't USE THE DRAIN PLUG is one of those mysteries that I hope will be explained to me when I go to that big salvage yard in the sky!

Posted on: 2011/2/16 12:43
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Re: "Waking Sleeping Beauty" .... The Blog!
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Jim,

I learned a long time ago to never underestimate stupidity.

Anyway, as I understand it the gas tank top and bottom are the same stamping. Perhaps a mould could be made of the good bottom half of your tank. A company called Abatron advertises mouldmaking and casting compounds in Old House Journal. Who knows get it worked out right and you could go into the Packard gas tank business.

Supposedly there is brand new gas tank that is in the basement of woman I bought the Derham from that goes with car. If it is still there I was thinking it could be used as a template for making new tanks. Maybe make it out of Kevlar. Then again, refer to my first sentence. Good luck with it.

Posted on: 2011/2/16 14:55
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If the tank is just rusty and pinholed where the waterline was, then it maybe a good candidate for getting it "Renu'd".

http://www.gastankrenu.com/how.htm

That is where my tank is headed in about 2 weeks.

Posted on: 2011/2/16 17:15
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Re: "Waking Sleeping Beauty" .... The Blog!
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Stephen, you are so right about stupidity! Of course I've NEVER done anything like that myself! Actually I am toying with the idea of seeing what it would take $$$ to get some made. I haven't made it out to pick up my tank as this morning's snow threw my schedule out of whack but it may be good enough to make a mold.

I talked with Tom at Able Radiator this morning. He said that if there is anything with any strength left, he could probably do something with it. If all else fails he has made gas tanks for customers in the past and has a self confessed soft spot for Packards. His biggest concern is that he is not insured to manufacture tanks. And given the times, that can be a BIG issue. When I get my tank back he wants to see it with a view to my options.

As far as manufacturing goes; I think that product liability would be the biggest problem. Trunk floor replacement panels are one thing - steel containers holding explosive fluids is something else again. Remember the Pinto and Chevy pick-ups?

Big Kev, you may be right about the "Renu" process. I'll be watching your blog for your thoughts on that process.

Posted on: 2011/2/16 18:24
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