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Note, the ID Plate has "14th" stamped in front of the other numbers, is this "usual"?

I've seen the "14th" stamped in the same way on quite a few 1936 cars, seems to be the only year they did that.

Based on the type font and method of stamping, the patent plate on the 1101 (718-168) would appear to be a reproduction.

There are a few company's that make the reproduction data plates, both in brass & aluminum. I will try to find the names for you,

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G'day PACKARDPOWER,
And to PackardInfo. I'd like to invite you to include your Packard in the Owner Registry here together with a pic, any known history and how you acquired it.

Regarding the repro data plates ,I understand that they come up on eBay from time to time. And I also had some email correspondence with PACA & PAckardInfo member BarrySmith earlier this year on this subject. I tried to get Barry to post it directly on PackardInfo at the time and I'm sure he won't mind me including an edited version of it here.

Barry's original email:

"Attatched is an ID plate from Pulfer and Williams that I arranged whilst at Hershey. This fits 50's Packards, I am not sure exactly what years. The "old" one is from my 51. Interestingly, they apparently have never made this particular plate before. Anyhow, they made 50, I guess this means they have 49 in stock! They are priced at $25 ea.
Pulfer and Williams have changed owners. Contact can now be made as follows

LaVine Restorations/Pulfer and Williams
349 Beech Road
Nappanee IN 46550
Telephone 574/773-7561

I guess you already know, they make just about every ID plate found on Packards. I also purchased plates for starter motor and generator.
Perhaps you might like to post this on "THE FORUM"

Barry"

And my reply:

"Barry, Perhaps you might like to post this on "THE FORUM" - Perhaps, BUT, it would be a whole lot better if you did .
I don't want to steal your thunder with this......I say "go for it" and if there's a problem give me a call and we'll work through it together.
Plus WHEN you post I'll jump in and put the hard word on you to put your Packards in the Owner Registry there. You have been warned! LOL"

As you'll also see I "harass" people to include their Packards in the Owner Registry, including the guys I know personally, sometimes with positive results sometimes not.

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Dave,

National Motoring Heritage Day here in Oz and the Packard Club went to event at Linnwood House. And what did I do? Why took some pic's and got some info on 'Thief Proof' numbers and ID numbers of course.

First from a '37 Super 8 Club Sedan - Owned by Harvey, the guy who woodgrained my '41 dash.

Thief Proof <280907>
ID 1016 - 234
Engine Number *396190*A

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Next '54 Convertible

'Thief Proof' < C86143 > - Sorry no pic
ID number 5479 - 2667
Engine number - Not visible

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Next '52 200 Deluxe 4 Door Sedan

'Thief Proof' < A86239 >
ID, On firewall and Door Jamb 2562 - 6042
Engine Number - Not readable

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And last one for now, a '40 110 4 Door Sedan owned by PackardInfo member "Appin".

'Thief Proof' < > No number between the triangles!
ID number - No plate, it's long gone
Engine number C10633 - Sorry no pic

Sorry not much at all here but that's all there is.

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Someone stole the "thief proof" number!!!

When I see the triangles with a number in the middle it really makes me think that the number was applied later, and the triangles were part of the alignment for the number stamping. If not that, then why would then bother to stamp the triangles if there was no number???

Bizzare. Somewhere there must be a scrap of documentation that explains it. Not sure if that would be in Packard historical information, or later in the Briggs historical information. I am curious if there are any pictures of the "naked" bodies leaving either Packard's own body shop, or Briggs that show if the number was already stamped or not. Basically if the number was stamped before body assemble on the firewall panel, or at some point after body cab assembly.

Not sure if that would be in Packard historical information, or later in the Briggs historical information.

Kev - the use of the triangles predates any involvement by Briggs by more than a decade, right back to when Packard began using thief-proof numbers in 1929. The exceptions are the first three years of the juniors. Some panels on these cars were stamped by Budd which have some bearing on this.

I'll do a bit of speculating on the trianges in my upcoming article. The only known cars without triangles are some 1940 cars, and I suspect this may have had something to do with the transfer of body panel stamping equipment to Briggs for 1941 production.