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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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https://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/partslist/index.php?mode=partnumber&SearchValue=429557&ButtonLookup=Go

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Looks like all 51-56 convertible used it.

Might help with your search.

Posted on: 2022/4/14 12:33
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Hi West, I don't have the measurements, but I have a few photos of the rear window of the 1955 Caribbean I sold last year, and which still had the original top. I think there are also some factory photos of the 1955 Caribbean in the PackardInfo library (I had submitted them) that might be closer to being square-on, so they could be easier to work with do some mathematical scaling.

I know who to contact at the PPG regarding the blueprints; if you want to pursue that, I can PM you the info to get ahold of him directly.

Also, Joel Ray has probably one of the most carefully restored 1956 Caribbeans on the planet. You could always reach out to him and ask if he would mind taking a measurement for you.

Sorry this is becoming frustrating, but we're all here to help if we can!

Posted on: 2022/4/14 20:18
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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West, if you're inclined to scale from an illustration, Plate 13 of the 1955/56 Parts List includes a rear elevation which should be useful.

Posted on: 2022/4/14 22:07
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Received a great photo from 1955 from Kevin, showing a straight-on rear view. It is perfect to compare with what is on the car now, and appears to be identical.
Since I got the photo from Kevin, I do not feel I have the right to post here without his permission.

Thank you all for your help.

Posted on: 2022/4/15 8:05
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Go ahead and post away, West, the photo was already in the Packard Info photo library. It was just easier last night to send you the scan I had made of the original print than it was to find the URL.

https://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2748

Posted on: 2022/4/15 9:38
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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West Peterson wrote:
Can someone measure the back plastic window on the top? It seems that Electron's window size is way too big. Their catalog says they will make it any size, but I need to know what the correct size is.

I'm am taking your advice and ordering the light colored liner. Thanks.


What DIY-ers don't realize is that to a professional trimmer, a convertible "rear window size" is usually measured from the entire size of what trimmers would refer to as "the curtain." The curtain is what goes under the outer top itself. DIY-ers presume this size if the "window opening" size in the top itself... which to pro trimmers is a whole different animal. The window curtain is the entire rear window assembly which may be much larger than the visible window opening as seen on a completed top itself.

I know Electron is a very different company from the old days when I was using them. However, they always used to have proper dimensions. Why that would suddenly not be true is a mystery. Furthermore, "making it any size" is an offer to all of the people out there now creating custom whatzits. I'm sure that Electron knows and sells the stock original size rear window. They did back in the 1970s-80s.

Again, if all else fails, Warren, Ohio can't be too far away. If there is some critical question/issue about 1955 Caribbean convertible backlight rear window, why not get it direct from the dead original, low-miles Howard Hughes Caribbean right there in the museum? No guessing, no consensus needed. No he-said-she-said, might-be-this-could-be-that stuff. A dead original, low-mileage, un-restored, un-molested top! Right there where it can't go anywhere...

Posted on: 2022/4/15 13:23
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Yes, I had certainly taken that into consideration, BUT 26 inches stretches from the turtle deck to beyond the top bow. Well beyond what could be considered the "the curtain."

Posted on: 2022/4/16 17:33
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Yes, I had certainly taken that into consideration, BUT 26 inches stretches from the turtle deck to beyond the top bow. Well beyond what could be considered the "the curtain"


Professionals in the convertible top business know that rear window backlight curtains on a dry-well convertible are never cut to exact size. It is expected that the installer will trim the size during installation, so the curtain is invariably made larger to allow the trimmer to trim for variances. Such curtain assemblies for a dry-well convertible are never pre-cut to an exact size. This is always how the industry has worked. The time to worry is when it is too small... not when it may seem too large.

Just like measurements from the front bow to the rear bow may seem like a set entity to a DIY-er. But the tops are always, always made longer ...and are trimmed back at installation.

Doing convertible tops– despite what J.C. Whitney catalogues and the internet might imply– were never a good DIY field.

Posted on: 2022/4/17 16:52
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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Here are some photos, taken in 2008, of Howard Hughes' all-original 1955 Caribbean when it was on display at the Automobile Driving Museum in Los Angeles.

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Re: 1955 Caribbean top material
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Professionals in the convertible top business know that rear window backlight curtains on a dry-well convertible are never cut to exact size. It is expected that the installer will trim the size during installation, so the curtain is invariably made larger to allow the trimmer to trim for variances. Such curtain assemblies for a dry-well convertible are never pre-cut to an exact size. This is always how the industry has worked. The time to worry is when it is too small... not when it may seem too large.

Just like measurements from the front bow to the rear bow may seem like a set entity to a DIY-er. But the tops are always, always made longer ...and are trimmed back at installation.

Doing convertible tops– despite what J.C. Whitney catalogues and the internet might imply– were never a good DIY field.


Thanks. Just for clarification, I'm not attempting to do this myself. Just trying to get the correct (correct size, anyway) top ordered.

Posted on: 2022/4/18 9:46
West Peterson
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1940 Packard 1808 w/Factory Air
1947 Chrysler Town and Country sedan
1970 Camaro RS

http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4307&forum=10

http://aaca.org/
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