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Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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Trefry
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Took my 51 400 in for a brake job and they pulled the rears so hard that the drums have pulled away from the hub.

So I am in real need for read hubs for the car. If you have some and are willing to sell please let me know.

Dave

Posted on: 2010/6/3 12:20
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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Can you send us a picture of what you need as I am confused by the saying you need a new hub. The drum is one piece that is riveted together at time of manufacturer. The inner hub portion of the drum is not typically available separately. So if there is damage any part of that riveted assemble, you will need to get a replacement drum assembly.

Any of the normal Packard Vendors with have them. Kanter, Max Merritt, etc.

Sounds like you need a new mechanic that has experience working on old cars with tapered rear axles.

I can't see how the heck someone could damage that beefy drum assembly unless they were hammering the hell out of it or using the incorrect style puller.

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Posted on: 2010/6/3 12:52
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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Pretty hard to believe that anyone with any sort of mechanic's certification or experience would have been foolish enough to use enough force to separate the drum from the hub, if that's what happened. It's mind-boggling to me that someone could have been that oblivious to how the assembly is constructed.

I guess it's not always practical, but if I had to leave one of my cars in the hands of a modern-day mechanic whose knowledge of the car is unknown to me, I'd leave the shop manual or an older Motor's Manual and try to always stay around while the work is done though I know some shops will say that their insurance carrier doesn't allow that.

Oh well, it's all part of the learning experience. Sorry for your problems and I'm sure you'll find the parts you need.

Posted on: 2010/6/3 15:28
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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I just realized the drum picture I posted above is actually a front drum, here is what the rear one should look like:

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Posted on: 2010/6/3 15:32
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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Well as they said in Cool Hand Luke, what we have here is a failure to communicate, mine of course.

What happened is they used a puller that pulled the DRUM away from the HUB. Then I said I needed Hubs. I did not know that I can buy drums still.


I will call Kanter or Max and see what they have. Before there is another fire to put out, can I replace the drums or will I need to find someone here who can?

Not sure if you can see the gap where it pulled away looks pretty obvious to me in the picture of the closeup of the lug hole.

When the machinist put them on the lathe they looked like a country dirt road they went up and down and in and out so much.

The good part is they admitted the mistake and will cover costs.

Thanks for the help, this site is invaluable to a Packar novice.

Dave

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Posted on: 2010/6/3 16:27
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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They used a pulled that grabbed the drum by it's outer edge instead of a puller like the one in my picture above that screws into the "hub" section of the drum.

You may want to print out the brake and rear axle section from the service manual here on the website and give it to them for reference. Mistakes like that can get expensive with parts that are no longer being produced!

Make sure they install the replacement drum(s) on the tapered axle dry (no grease), and then torque the axle nut to 200-250ft/lbs per the spec in the Service Manual. Failure not to do has been linked to sheared key ways and broken axles.

Posted on: 2010/6/3 20:17
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Re: Looking for rear Hubs for 51 400
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They showed me the puller and that is exactly what they did. Got the car home on dollies, they had no place to keep it, nice guys just did not know. Now I need to get buy the drums and get them on.

Will need to research who can do that locally.

Thanks for the advise.

Dave

Posted on: 2010/6/3 23:39
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