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Re: carforce number one
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I think it's 22-23 series, not Clipper.


From what I can see it's a 22nd Series Super Eight Victora Convertible Coupe.

Posted on: 6/7 8:20
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Maybe an early model with the painted bumper and - I think - painted headlight trim rings.

Posted on: 6/7 17:45
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I don't know if the nickname "Travelling-Lasse" had something to do with his Packards. The talk revolves around Lauri Kristian Relander, who had been the second president of Finland (1925–1931).

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Posted on: 6/26 11:27
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A second fleet vehicle.


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caption: Mäntsälä, President of the Republic Lauri Kristian Relander (left) and President's official car (Packard) with flags and coats of arms in front of the old main building of Saari Manor, June 29, 1929. Pictured on the steps of Anni de la Chapelle in her floral dress. Adjacent to the right of the President of the Republic, Major Börje Söderström, is next to the car.
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caption: Mäntsälä, Adjutant to the President of the Republic Börje Söderström next to the official car of the President of the Republic (Packard), June 29, 1929
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Posted on: 6/27 0:05
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Ignacy Mościcki; 1 December 1867 – 2 October 1946) was a Polish chemist, politician, and President of Poland from 1926 to 1939. He was the longest serving President in Poland's history, acc. to Wikipedia.

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Below a photograph of the then president as part of a hunting party in January 1930. The hood ornament seems to symbolize an eagle, the Polish heraldic animal.



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caption: Ignacy Moscicki
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caption: President of the Republic of Poland Ignacy Mościcki (gets out of the car) and invited guests. Also visible the president's driver Jan Pasiński in a Packard car.
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Posted on: 7/3 11:26
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Phaetons are bone chilling in winter with the side curtains on, but with the top down I can't imagine. No ear muffs or winter headgear? I suspect that picture is staged as the Russians always had heavy winter headgear.

Posted on: 7/4 7:10
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Tim, very attentiv. Four eyes see more than two as we say in Germany.
But please keep in mind the 800 miles which lie between Warsaw and Moscow (about the same between Nevada and Denver). And there is a mountain of furs on the backseat (#1). Heavy furs. The driver looks as big as a grizzly (#2). It was cold in January 1930 in Warsaw but not very cold. The breathing air isn't condensed and other photographs taken that day show participants without gloves. Moreover the hunting party consists of bad prepared city dwellers, filled with adrenaline upon first sight of a stuffed squirrel.


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temperature profile - weatherspark.com
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The snow on the ground looks to be frozen as does that driver. But the equipment in the back looks to be in the process of being unloaded, so maybe that picture was taken at a train station. The guy in the rear car is properly dressed and the front car has a tonneau cover in place. I don't know where they are to go, but five minutes at anything above a trot and those top are going up.

Sedans are tolerable in full winter clothing even without a heater, but those touring cars are colder than a China Clipper in winter because a sailing ship is moving with the wind.

Posted on: 7/4 17:24
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