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Re: The Search For The Missing Packard Pan Americans (and a bit about prototype Caribbean #1)
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LSU_Phidelt wrote:
Extremely fascinating and informative. Thank you for sharing.


You are most welcome.

If anyone out there knows whereabouts of any Packard Pan American car... or even stories about where one might be, I'm very interested in knowing. Including the Pan American that is supposedly disassembled somewhere in garage.

It would be extra nice to resolve the stories-once and for all- about the car that went to Europe. Thanks in advance for any leads.

Posted on: 2018/7/12 9:29
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Re: The Search For The Missing Packard Pan Americans (and a bit about prototype Caribbean #1)
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RogerDetroit wrote:
Hello Leeedy:

Solid research as always. Keep up the good work of preserving Packard's history.

--Roger--


Thanks, Roger. Sorry I missed Bill Robinson's seminar that I understand you were assisting. How'd it go?

Posted on: 2018/7/9 9:29
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Re: The Search For The Missing Packard Pan Americans (and a bit about prototype Caribbean #1)
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Let the ride decide wrote:
Always interesting.

I have a newspaper clipping dated Oct 1952, that says the Pan American sports car will be on display at Albert J Meek Sunday thru Thursday. He was the Packard dealer in Fort Worth.

The article states only 10 models of the Pan American have thus far been built, but Packard expects to build about 1,000 in the next year.

I have a photo by RW Graves with 5 women one identified as Queen in one of the fender mounted antenna Pan American. It appears to be in a stadium setting. Iin addition to naming the women it says only 6 made, but it also says it's a 1953 Caribbean. The car has 1953 California plates, but are not the dealer plates.


Ahhh... well it would be quite nice to see the clipping and the photo you describe. Of course, if the antenna is on the driver's fender, it would have to be one of the later cars (in other words, after Pan Am #1).

And yes, some of the articles back then got into wild numbers of how many were made. But we know for sure it wasn't 10.

Of course, with California hard plates rather than dealer plates, this tells me that the car was registered... and that opens ALl kinds of possibilities. If you could email scans, they would be most appreciated. Every piece of the puzzle...

Thanks much!


Posted on: 2018/7/8 21:26
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Re: The Search For The Missing Packard Pan Americans (and a bit about prototype Caribbean #1)
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mlgrimes wrote:
Great article. Thanks for making the time to share this information and for leading the effort to find the missing Pan American's.


Thanks much for the very kind words!

Posted on: 2018/7/8 21:21
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The Search For The Missing Packard Pan Americans (and a bit about prototype Caribbean #1)
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For those who like Packard mysteries and info on Packard concept cars, here is something on the Hemmings Motor News Daily today...>>>https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/07/08/pan-american-the-mysterious-packard-concept-sports-car-which-way-did-they-go/?refer=news

Posted on: 2018/7/8 9:41
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Re: Rear antenna pictres
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Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Leeedy, I haven't seen it recently but here's my snapshot from a few years ago.


Awww, wow!!! Thanks, Owen. I'm in love! What a gorgeous Caribbean and it looks like it wouldn't take much to bring it back to readiness. Got my Westley's Bleche-White ready for those tires and I can almost feel my buffer revving to polish. Wow again.

AND I love the hint of the Patrician to the right... and (if I'm not mistaken) that looks like a red Italian-built Cadillac Allante to the left. I still have my black Stage II Allante in mint condition. Would I love to have my 1956 Patrician with factory air back again!

Thanks much for sharing.

Posted on: 2018/6/7 10:55
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Re: Rear antenna pictres
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jfrom@kanter wrote:
Additional photo. Please let me know if you need and others.

Thanks
James From
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Awwwww! C'monnnn now! Don't tease with this snippet pic of this unusual Corsican Black/Naples Orange Caribbean! Let's see the rest of this interesting car!!!!!!!

Posted on: 2018/6/7 7:56
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Re: Rear antenna pictres
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55packard400 wrote:
Hello all
If anyone can send me some close up photos of the rear antennas
It would be appreciated interested to see the antenna bases
Also if possible distance from center of antenna to end of taillights
Any help is always appreciated
Thanks


Factory (and dealer-installed) twin rear antenna masts for non-Caribbeans were the same as used on the Caribbeans for 1955-56...HOWEVER, the fender-top mountings were different. On the outside since there was no chrome piece trim, this space was taken up by a rubber seal on the hole opening topped with a Bakelite cone spacer capped with the usual metal bezel. A special spanner wrench (similar to those used on bicycle rear hubs) was used to install the metal bezel (the spanner wrench fit in the little hole in the side of the bezel to turn it).

And yes, this Bakelite spacer was unique to non-Caribbean twin rear antennae. I used to have several of these sitting around but they were all stolen when I was robbed in 2001. Thus I have no photos to share.

By the way, the masts on these rear-mounted power antennae for both Caribbean and non-Caribbean were very different from the single front fender-mounted antenna. Rear-mounted masts had one pressed ring on the lower mast section of Caribbeans and factory/dealer units. Front-mounted units had two rings pressed into the lower mast section. You can always tell if someone in recent years has been playing games with rear antennae masts if you see one with two rings on the lower mast section.

Also the "rack-rope" (nylon internal push/pull element inside the mast) for rear antenna masts was round and in a round retractor housing. Front antennas had a flat nylon "rack-rope" in a rather oval-shaped housing some with a metal tube..

Rear antennae had an angle-mounted internal positioner/retainer that fit up against the inside of the body with a flat metal base mount with a tab end bent at about 45 degrees. This attached to the floor of the trunk compartment. Not a whole lot in common between front and rear Packard power antennae for 1955-56.

Posted on: 2018/6/7 7:49
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Re: Unleaded gas
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Packard5687 wrote:
Here is the story of the scientist who proved that lead added to gasoline was a major public health hazard and why it was ultimately removed from gas:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/94569/clair-patterson-scientist-who-determined-age-earth-and-then-saved-it


While I've been aware of this scientist and his work for many years, this is a very lengthy article. A much shorter, but just as informative piece was done in video on the television show, "Cosmos" with Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson in recent years.

While it was a wonderful thing that lead has been removed from gasoline and that the environmental levels of lead are now on the decline, things sometimes go much too far. There is nothing like fanaticism in reforms or rules. A good example is that not long ago I was prevented from buying a beautiful mansion that was built in 1850. The reason? The VA inspector going through the house to approve the loan said he "discovered lead in the paint"!!!! Imagine that. A house built in 1850 with lead in the paint. Wow. That "discovery" by the VA inspector popped the balloon with the VA underwriter 10 days from the close of escrow... and that was that.

Posted on: 2018/5/27 10:29
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Re: modern paint mix for old color needed
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Marston wrote:
Seeing how your car was originally painted in the '70s your paint will either be a lacquer or acrylic enamel. While you can use acrylic enamel to spray over lacquer with proper prep work I probably would not do so if I could get lacquer (In California that is an impossibility unless of course you have a son or two that lives out of state). If you are talking about repairing a few nicks & chips then I would not hesitate to go with the enamel to repair either one. You would never want to spray or touch up with lacquer over enamel.

To determine if you have lacquer or enamel follow the steps below in an area that does not show:

1. Take a clean white cloth, wet it with lacquer thinner and rub a spot of paint to test the reaction.
2. If the color comes off immediately or the spot starts wrinkling, it shows that the type of paint is enamel.
3. But if the color wipes off onto the white cloth only after vigorous rubbing, it is a sign of lacquer paint.
4. If nothing wipes off onto the cloth, the paint is probably urethane based.

Now on to that important question of how can you match the color. My favorite process is to find a small easily removable part (e.g. gas cap door) and send it to TCP Global. Last time I used them it cost about $70. You should be able to order paint from them, make sure that you get your hardener and reducer from them so you know it is compatible with the paint you buy. Don't be afraid to use their house brand as is most probably PPG and will cost you a lot less than the name brand stuff.

I've seen cars that were painted with lacquer that is 50+ years old (that don't have and cracking or crazing) buff out real nice. So don't hesitated to give it a try. Use a very mild cleaning rub cleaner (not a Rubbing Compound). Just be gentle and to not overly aggressive especially on the corners or other sharp areas.

Good Luck

P.S. By the way I think your Golf Club panel should have been more than flat enough to do a color scan on.


I've mentioned in postings about lacquer and its ability to be revived. But automotive lacquer was not all one thing. There was nitrocellulose lacquer and then there was acrylic lacquer. For instance, 1960s GM cars like my 1964 Oldsmobile Starfire convertible and my Cadillac Eldorado were painted in "Magic Mirror Acrylic Lacquer." But Packards were painted in nitrocellulose lacquer.

Also in the 1970s there were various twists in other kinds of automotive paints. For instance everybody doing restorations by the late 1970s was swearing by Imron.

And while the color in question may not be metallic, many, many people today and in recent years look at mica paints and presume incorrectly that they are "metallic."

And the cloth-with-lacquer thinner trick/test may not always work-especially if the paint has been sealed or clear-coated. Pic a spot that is not easily visible to try your test.

As I have always said, a good automotive paint wholesaler/supplier (especially one with a retail outlet) ought to be able to match anything. My favorite in SoCal in the 1970s and 1980s was Betz Speed & Color (no idea if they are still around).

Posted on: 2018/5/21 19:01
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