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Re: 1955 PACKARD & CLIPPER DEALERSHIP SHOWROOM ALBUM WITH COLORS AND UPHOLSTERY SAMPLES
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Hello. $475 for the album.

Posted on: 2023/3/7 9:40
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Re: Packard Bikes
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And now to 1944 and Tyler, Texas. This is from the Tyler Courier-Times newspaper, November 12, 1944.

With World War 2 raging in Europe and the Pacific, automobiles out of production since early 1942, and gasoline rationed, bicycles were very precious for transportation!

Thieves in Tyler, Texas were busy grabbing those precious bicycles! But it seemed those stealing bikes had a particular attraction to (you guessed it) Packard bicycles.

As incredible as it may seem, here are at least three Packard bicycles all stolen around the same time!

From the files of National Bicycle History Archive of America (NBHAA.com) and Leon Dixon.

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Posted on: 2023/3/7 9:33
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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JeromeSolberg wrote:
I guess I was thinking is that they maybe they still had some buildings at East Grand where they, say, made trim pieces for interiors or the outside of the bodies, or components for the dash, or brackets, or whatever. It would seem insane to try to move all of that stuff to Conner Avenue and Utica. Maybe by that point all that stuff was being made outside by suppliers.


Most of this stuff was being made by outside vendors. For instance the vacuum tanks (on the splash well in the engine compartment) were made at a company on Detroit's east side. Interior trim (much of it) was done at Mitchell-Bentley in Ionia, Michigan. And on and on...

Postwar Packard production was not like many imagine it today. The foundry buildings and work (which was actually located north of Harper Avenue where nobody today realizes the plant extended) had all been shut down by the V-8 era. The foundry contents were already being auctioned off.

This points out yet another reason why the death of Packard in Detroit was so very crippling to the city. At one time, Detroit (and southeast Michigan) was peppered with little shops and companies that did everything from manufacturing small parts and assemblies to tool & die making. When Packard went down in flames, so did many of these little companies!

And businesses like Creative Industries, Mitchell-Bentley and Modern Engineering could create cars and components cheaper and easier than Packard could itself. So? They farmed this work out to what were believed to be competent vendors.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 16:52
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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JIT depends on reliable delivery of parts... coordinating production schedules within the factory, or with neighboring factories, to minimize stored product and stagnant money.

But if you can't reliably get stuff then you shouldn't JIT that part. Part of the reason the COVID supply shortages hit so hard is because companies would JIT literally all the way across the globe, but when shipping slowed, then they had no stock.

In other words, JIT is more than "stock less stuff", it takes careful planning and a lot of inside knowledge on the production processes to not screw yourself with unexpected problems.


Yes... these things are all obvious today– especially in hindsight which is always 20/20. And the fact that modern car manufacturers now have the process pretty much down cold.

Yes... Packard depended (perhaps naively) on vendors to do what they had indeed promised they could do.

Yes... vendors dumped Packard in the grease. And one can blame Packard and J.J. Nance (and a lot of others) and the blame-game is a mainstay in American thinking– no matter the field.

Yes... I am very familiar with J.I.T. and how it works, having been involved in this very process during most of my adult career on the auto industry.

But the issue I was attempting to illuminate is that no critic or critique has pointed out that Packard was attempting to do this long before the Japanese. Despite the Japanese being credited today with somehow inventing J.I.T. This was a pioneering move ahead of its time– whether it worked or not For Packard. And whether it has been recognized or not.

Even up until its end, Packard was an amazing, forward-thinking company and I still give them an "A" for effort– in spite of what took place at the end and at Conner Avenue.

Posted on: 2023/2/27 12:50
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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JeromeSolberg wrote:
This is just a question for the experts:

I had always figured that, while final assembly was moved to the Conner Avenue plant, and engine and axle assembly had been moved to the Utica plant, that some smaller components would have been continued to have been manufactured in a portion of the East Grand complex, where they had presumably had been for some time. Given the space issues they had at Conner Avenue, it would think they would have tried to maximize space there by keeping what production they could at East Grand? Maybe not.


Not really true.

First of all, Utica was engine and transmissions. Some other pieces were also made there.

A significant part of the East Grand Blvd. plant was occupied with body transport, body storage and component storage. This took up a lot of imagined free space. Plus Briggs was actually renting additional space in the plant. AND there were always trucks coming and going to and from Briggs over on Conner. With production relocated to Conner... all this became unnecessary.

As for Conner Avenue there were some space issues, but many of those "issues" were just as much organizational as spatial.

It is also a pity that the modern method that Packard was attempting to do at Conner has been so bitterly criticized. But when the Japanese used this same process years later in their plants they were hailed as geniuses! The production process is known as "Just In Time" or "J.I.T."

In J.I.T. a part or component or subassembly is delivered to the factory just in time for it to be assembled on a vehicle. This way requires far less handling and storage space to be allotted for keeping such items on hand.

In this process, it is the vendor who needs to be at the top of their game. And some weren't. This got blamed on Packard.

But those anxious to criticize Packard or J.J. Nance for imagined inept thinking jumped all over what Packard was attempting to do at the time. Of course the industry in the USA was (as a whole) not fully embracing J.I.T. at the time. And there were obviously numerous teething problems and adjustments that resulted from the move to Conner. But the issues were/are not nearly as cut and dried as most critics and critiques imagine.

Posted on: 2023/2/26 22:03
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Re: Bob Palma - RIP
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I am very much saddened to learn of Bob's passing. He was a very nice man with family history so much a part of the Packard story.

I always enjoyed reading his articles in The Packard Cormorant magazine about his dad's Packard dealership. Wonderful memories from someone who was actually there in the final days of the Packard empire.

I'm saying prayers for Bob and his family. Hope that he's somewhere in happy eternity... smiling behind the wheel of a brand new Packard. All with the engine purring and a bird on the hood. We miss you, Bob.

Posted on: 2023/2/21 10:45
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Re: Packard Bikes
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And now from 1938 to 1931 and a motorcycle trade magazine. Ironically the image here is of a Studebaker exhibit about their freewheeling feature on Studebaker automobiles.

Remember our discussion of coaster brakes and freewheeling on bicycles a while back in this thread? Well, it seems that Studebaker actually used bicycles in an automotive exhibit they did to explain the technology and principle of freewheeling in automobiles.

Courtesy of National Bicycle History Archive of America (NBHAA.com)... take a look...

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Posted on: 2023/2/20 10:41
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Re: Packard Plant update....
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Newspapers and these silly articles on the East Grand Blvd. Packard plant insist upon re-writing history and twisting the story of the plant's demise. They make it appear as if Mr. Palenzuela is to blame for all the monstrous destruction that took place. In fact, the damage was already done by the time he arrived on the scene with an impossible dream to rescue it all.

The whole scenario was caused by the City of Detroit. Palenzuela is merely a convenient patsy to blame things on. All he didn't do was not being able to pull off a miraculous rescue. Period.

It is sad that people keep drinking the Kool-Aid and cannot see this. To Palenzuela's credit, he did indeed clean up a lot of HIS portion of the plant (while the City did nothing with theirs)... and he did indeed post private guards and got Concord Avenue blocked off to traffic (that was allowing scrappers and vandals to haul everything away they could). What did the city do? They sat back and let things go down the toilet.

And the politicians keep talking about this "neighborhood" as if it is a haven for residences and families. Please. Great copy for the newspapers and TV. And people believe this silliness.

As far as production taking place on East Grand Blvd. in 1956 (as mentioned in the newspaper), this is also a fantasy. Dreamed up obviously by someone born after the Apollo Moon Landing. Production at this location stopped in late 1954, not 1956. All 1955 and 1956 Packards were produced at the new Packard Plant on Conner Avenue. And that, too... is gone. But today's newspapers, people running things and TV don't know it.

Sorry, but I was there. And as long as I am breathing, I will point these facts out– no matter what the newspapers and internet stories are telling you.

Posted on: 2023/2/19 11:59
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Re: Batwing air cleaner dual quad
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Contrary to what some seem to believe, 1950s Cadillac Eldorado dual quad batwings will drop right onto a Packard V8 Caribbean. No spacing issues. The big spacing issues are with Chevrolet batwings (BTW, original Chevy batwings and MoPar batwings are probably the rarest of all batwing air cleaners). Those are very different.

Simply turn the Eldo air cleaner around backwards and drop it onto the Packard Caribbean quads. But there are issues.

The differences are as follows:

• Cadillac batwing air cleaners mount in reverse position to Packards.

• SOME Eldo oil bath pots (the hanging cylindrical components) are larger (deeper and larger diameter) than Packard pots. The largest of the Eldo pots may rub on Packard valve covers.

• Cadillac Eldo pots attach with chrome pieces that were actually drawer pull knobs. Packards used wing nuts. Look for them in cars pictured online and in auctions.

• SOME Cadillac Eldo batwings also have a diecast chrome-plated "V" on top.

• MoPar batwings had extra ribs pressed into the top of the housings. No idea about their carb spacing.

Over the years I have had all of these at one time or another.

There are numerous Eldo batwings riding around on Caribbean V8s. A couple recently put up for auction with the sellers bragging the cars were "all original and complete" have had Eldo air cleaners.

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Posted on: 2023/2/14 20:01
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Re: Packard Bikes
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Now to Brady, (Platte area) Nebraska and December of 1938. The publication was called Brady Vindicator Industrial Magazine and guess what? Packard bicycles were there! But as loyal fans of this thread, you knew this– right?

It seems that Mills Cycle Shop of Platte was selling Packard bicycles. Of course with no images included in the article, there is no way to know exactly which bicycle company was manufacturing these Packards. But in this case, we suspect these were Schwinn-Built Packards.

Ohhhhh. And need we say that there is no mention of Packard Motor Car Company and no mention of a "sweetened deal" on an an automobile? Hmmmm.

Original news clipping provided courtesy of National Bicycle History Archive of America (NBHAA.com).

Enjoy...

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Posted on: 2023/2/8 9:55
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