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I spun the worm gear, both manually and with the motor, still no movement of the yoke or bars. The limit switches are still installed. Can they actually stop the movement within the compensator, even thought they have no power? I'll try again with the limit switches removed. I just noticed that in the parts diagram, part 15.916 doesn't come out with the limit switches. If there is still no movement then the fault must be with the splines on the yoke part 15.922.
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Thanks Troy, I don't want to unleash 'the beast'! At least I have the wisdom of all at PI to keep me safe.
Speaking of Torsion Level Ride, I saw a program on the Velocity channel called "SEMA: Battle of the Builders". In which one of the builders used a "Torsion bar suspension" that sounded like the Packard's. He mentioned the torsion bars going front to back going through the car's frame. That being said, has any manufacturer produced a vehicle using the Packard TL system since the demise of Packard?
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I know that there must be NO load on the Torsion bars to disconnect the transverse bars. How can I be sure there is no load on them? I can easily rock the transverse bars with my hand. Does this mean that the load is absent and it's ok to disconnect the bars?
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Thanks once more for the help. I left the motor off, the worm gear out, wires taped and a plastic cover over the opening for the motor, for now. One question that I have is shouldn't the car eventually settle back into it's normal riding height (if there is no mechanical restriction)?
As for the manual powering of the TL motor, I'll try that when I re-mount the motor (now that I know what to look for).
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Now that the beautiful sun has finally appeared
 I was able to remove the TL motor and found the drive pin intact and engaged to the worm gear. I am now kinda confused as to the TL's actions or rather in-actions. I did find that I was under the mistaken idea that there was a 'keeper washer' located on the worm gear shaft to hold it in-place. Apparently the motor shaft/pin on one end and the end cap along with some spacers hold the worm gear in-place. This was evident by the parts diagram and the ability to remove the worm gear once the motor was removed.I must examine all switches and all wiring and repair or replace any questionable wires/connections or components. It's gonna take me some time to get through this one  Attach file:  (94.92 KB)
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I have found several wire breaks, all of them in the 'yellow' wires that goes thus: 'manual switch' to 'control-box terminal' to 'down limit switch'. As I mentioned, I SUCK at soldering, and I used Crimp connectors, which I need to check again. One other problem is that the TL wiring diagram states that the manual switch is "grounded through switch case". That may be an issue as well. My metal dash was re-painted way back when I had my interior done. The necessary ground may be hampered by the new paint (since I installed the manual switch after the interior was done).
All of this must be corrected b4 I can thoroughly check the actual mechanical movements of the TL system. Then I'll find out about the motor, pin and rod movement. Thanks for all the hot tips, every one of them is a blessing 
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Thanks for the quick reply, as always. The motor does run and the connecting rods don't seem to move. I'll check further. After all the TL drama that I have had, I would still rather have it rather than a conventional spring suspension.
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I have been through every component, except taking the actual compensator gear box apart, and my 56 Executive's TL system is just not working correctly. The rear end seems to be stuck, no longer raising and lowering, either automatically or with the manual switch. All cross links and the center 'yoke' are in their correct positions, according to the pictures in the service manuals.
I removed the compensator control box and drilled out the brass rivets holding the cover on. Upon inspection, it was clean as a whistle. One of the metal contacts was slightly bent away from vertical, so I bent it back to the vertical position. This was a contact for the moving lever, that is operated by the tiny rod link attached to the driver's side torsion level rod. There were several bad or questionable wire connections that I corrected, one by one. I used 'crimp' connectors, because I absolutely SUCK at soldering! I am thinking that the issue might be mechanical, at this point. What are your thoughts?
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I thank you for the great advise and will get to properly examining the TL system accordingly. It's typical of myself to think that "I know the problem..." and jump right in and look for the quick fix. I think that that is where I am weakest and find that I just exasperate the original problem.
I think that you know how helpful this site is and how many Packard owners have benefitted from it's content and all of the knowledge represented here 
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The motor does turn in both directions when powered directly. The short bar is in front and the long bar is in the rear. I only directly drove the motor for a few revs in each direction ('down' until the motor ran until it would run no longer, and 'up' for about 30 seconds). I don't think that the bars pressed into the assy. although both bars are slightly bent from the previous TL system drama. Before driving the motor directly, I had disconnected the small compensator lever rod and moved the lever by hand, back and forth, with no TL motor engagement. I reconnected the small lever control rod and then tried the direct power of the TL motor.
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