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Re: Yet another fugitive from the C. Lewis Ablelove auction comes up for sale
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packardsix1939 wrote:
Well, the cars are real. Although I did not go to the public viewing for the Phase 1 auction in November 2021, I did download and save the auction catalog. I was able to find all of these cars and their lot number, along with the sale price. I can confirm that they were all purchased by the same individual, though I don't know his identity, only his user name for the online auction. Still, it does seem strange that you cannot contact him.


Yes... I know that the cars are real... or WERE real.

But you don't have to take my word for it. Try it yourself. Try calling the towing business with the big web page on the internet. Try leaving a facebook message to the facebook seller. No can do.

So? What is realllllllllly going on here?????

Posted on: 2023/11/21 12:05
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Re: 1956 Caribbean
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Packard Filip wrote:
I have seen the condition of 1001's body in person, and I am also forced to deal with it in a way. Instead of getting the trunk lid that came with 1210 I'm left with the trunk lids for 1001 and the 400 donor to combine into one that's good condition somehow.

It's relieving to know that the engine parts that have gone missing aren't on 1001's engine without either me or the current owner of 1001 knowing though.

I will have to hope that the previous owner of all three manages to find whatever he has misplaced, especially since it should've been a part of what my friend paid for.. and what I'll be paying for soon enough.




Okay, We have a lot of cooks here attempting to make the same meal, but out of different ingredients. Thus it becomes a soup with no name. I can assist, but I have to clearly see a path.

Check back in this thread. I posted a fairly recent photo earlier in this same thread of 5699-1001 chassis and engine. At that time, the chassis including engine was completely restored with the exceptions I noted in this thread.

I personally knew both Ole Book and Mats, the gentleman who bought the car from Ole. I even provided Ole with parts for 5699-1001, including a windshield. This was while 1001 was still in the USA.

Mats lives in Sweden and was considering selling 5699-1001 several months back when he contacted me.

I do not know who had 5699-1210 (another white/orange/black car) and I don't know about the owner's medical issues and storage issues, etc. All unknown to me.

However, here is what I can tell you about 5699-1210. Without looking up my records, I believe it was delivered new in the state of Ohio of USA.

The last photos I have of this car were taken outside of the USA (I believe in Rotterdam) in 2013 and outdoors. Whoever said it was disassembled is mistaken since it was intact as a whole automobile at least by 2013.

At that time, the engine had been demoted down to an odd 2-barrel carburetor (not 4 barrel). The oil canister and breather cap had been chrome plated in years previous. There was no air cleaner. The chrome valve rocker covers looked decent and there were Packard factory countermeasure spark plug wire looms in place. The engine compartment overall was in poor and rusty and neglected condition, despite the shiny valve covers. But the engine was definitely intact at that time. The car was also listed for sale on eBay at one time.

The convertible top fabric was completely missing. However, the Naples Orange interior actually looked fairly decent.

The exterior of the vehicle had original MTV paint looking worn but serviceable. However the front of the hood and front fenders were beginning to show serious rust. It was equipped with twin exterior rearview mirrors and thin-line whitewall tires.

Aside from what I described here, everything else looked pretty much intact. There was even a spare tire in the trunk. And yes, the decklid looked very solid. So perhaps someone decided to swap it to 1001, from what you are saying here.

I have personal records on ALL Caribbeans. I have saved information on these cars and every one I encountered since I was growing up in Detroit the 1950s. My lists are not the same as club listings.

What is most important if you want me to assist you: I need to see photos of what you have and what is going on with these cars. This is necessary to make sense out of all this.

Good luck.

Posted on: 2023/11/21 0:23
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Re: Yet another fugitive from the C. Lewis Ablelove auction comes up for sale
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packardsix1939 wrote:
Agree. Very strange that you cannot get in touch with the seller. These ads were all posted on FB quite recently.

This individual bought several cars at the C.Louis Ablelove auctions, apparently with the intention of flipping them for a profit. But I think he may have gotten in over his head. These are all rough project cars and will be a hard sell. He could end up sitting these for months or even years. And probably not much profit potential, especially when you factor in the high auction commissions.


• Phone number listed on web site does not work.

• No response to Facebook inquiries.

• No response to emails.

So. Is this supposed sale REAL?

Doesn't look that way...!

Posted on: 2023/11/15 13:09
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Re: Yet another fugitive from the C. Lewis Ablelove auction comes up for sale
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packardsix1939 wrote:
Leedy: You are correct. The gentleman was C. Louis Ablelove, not Lewis. My mistake.

I do hope that at least some of these cars get saved. Unfortunately, many of the cars in the collection were extremely rough. I did not attend Phase 1 in person but know someone who did. He described standing inside the trunk area of one of the Caribbeans. There was no trunk pan left at all, so he was actually standing on the floor of the warehouse. I did go to Phase 2 in April of last year because I wanted to bid on the 1937 120 Convertible Coupe and did not want to risk bidding sight unseen. The car just needed too much work and had not run in years. I was surprised when it hammered for over $52K. With a 22% commission, I just didn't think it was worth this much, especially for a non-runner with obvious cosmetic issues like badly cracked paint and dull, oxidized chrome. In person, the car did not compare favorably to the auction catalog photos which had been taken in a dark warehouse. But it was quite an experience to see all those unrestored Packards in one place. Some of the cars were actually pretty nice. There was an exceptional original '54 Caribbean which looked stunning in Polaris Blue over Packard Ivory. This car, Lot #9 brought a winning bid of $20K. I think it was the best Caribbean in the collection. It would not take too much of an effort to restore this one.

Here are some photos I took of this car at the auction. Even though I prefer prewar Packards, I liked this one so much that I'd consider trading my '39 for it.


Okay, but that's "Leeedy" with 3 e's.

Anyway, according to the best info I could get from someone with a FB account (I don't have one) the cars listed in the links are at a place called "Altieri's Auto Tow" in Amsterdam, NY....

Problem is, if you call the number listed all I get is a message: "cannot be connected... please check the number and try again..." But this IS the number on their web site. BUT...so far no phone connection... no responses to emails... no responses to FB inquiries.

Whatever is going on, something is horribly wrong here...

Posted on: 2023/11/14 16:46
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Re: Yet another fugitive from the C. Lewis Ablelove auction comes up for sale
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packardsix1939 wrote:
Posted on Facebook last week. 1953 Caribbean. Was Lot #184 at the Phase 1 auction (November 2021). Hammer price was $3,250. Seller was asking $12,500, just dropped to $8,500. Very rough car and definitely not for the faint of heart:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/999415174471777/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

This flipper has several other C. Lewis Ablelove cars for sale which I have previously posted. I am reposting these auction cars from earlier posts. If I find any additional C. Lewis AbleLove auction cars for sale online, I will post on this link.

1938 120 Convertible Coupe project car. Was Lot 171 from Phase 1 auction. Sale price was $1,000; seller is asking $8,500. Ad says it is a '38 but has '40 front clip. No drill outs for the '40 side mouldings and I am seeing a '38-'39 grille shell in the back seat area, so maybe you will only need to find the correct front fenders. Body looks exceptionally solid, but it needs everything. I've looked for a '38 120 convertible coupe for years and have only found two that were unrestorable wrecks compared to this one, so it is a very rare car. If anyone on this forum is interested in taking this one on, please let me know.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/640674604901063/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

1956 Carribean. Almost hopeless. Was Lot No. 97 from the Phase 1 auction. Sold for $1,500. Seller is asking $5,333.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2015759645467995/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

1948 Super 8 Convertible Victoria plus another convertible and a sedan for parts. Really rough and I'm not sure if you will even have enough parts to build one good car. The yellow convertible was Lot #226 at the Phase 1 auction and hammered for $3,000. The green parts convertible was Lot #1 and sold for just $1,250. I think the sedan parts car in primer was Lot#223 which sold for $250:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/889707942120253/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

1940 110 coupe. Needs total resto, but not as bad as some of the other Packards from this auction. Was Lot #59. Hammer price before commission was $3,250:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1809541146149629/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

1948 Custom 8 Convertible Victoria. Lot #188. Hammered for $5,250. Project car with typical rust in the floor pans and trunk area. Rest of car looks straight and complete, but it will apparently need pretty much everything. Just like the car used in



Hello... I always thought the name was Louis Abelove, rather than "Lewis"?????

Thanks for the posting. Those poor Caribbeans OUGHT to be saved!

Posted on: 2023/11/11 13:29
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Re: Packard Bikes
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...And... for your further pedal car enjoyment, here is something I saw recently during a visit. It is in the collection of a television show host...

Not sure what company made this little one (the radiator mounted medallion is badly faded and may not even be original), but it has all of the hallmarks of a Packard.

By the way... less than a block from where I took this photo was a former Packard dealership. My friend recently bought the building. And yes... there were indeed Packard items still there!

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Posted on: 2023/11/11 12:35
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Re: 56 - 400 - Parting
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Packard Don wrote:
Interesting car with a 1955 front clip and 1956 side trim. Could it have been a very late test car or prototype of some sort, especially as it’s supposedly original and unmolested?


The car on the FB posting appears to merely be a 1955 Four Hundred that has 1956 side trim added. This was a common thing done when the 1956 models debuted. It was an easy custom trick. A lot of Four Hundreds around Detroit back then were so customized like this.

These things weren't done to a car to "get it off of the lot" but rather because people like the look and having tricked-out options in the 1950s. Customizing and adding accessories were king in the 1950s.

Adding such stuff to a Packard didn't make it cheaper, nor would it necessarily make it sell faster. It was what people wanted.

In an era where cars changed every 365 days, it was the thing to do. People were always trying to make last year's car look like this year's new model. That's how it was in the 1950s and 1960s.

This particular Four Hundred is not just fitted with a 1955 front clip, but also a 1955 decklid and decklid trim. This it is highly unlikely to be any kind of a "prototype." I can recognize those.

However, the one VERY rare thing that no one seems to have noticed is that this car has a very rare option for 1955: patent-leather interior! Black patent leather and gray fabric. Yes, it is in the 1955 dealer color and upholstery book. Very rare option to find and something few would notice today, but a rage in 1955.

Posted on: 2023/10/31 16:23
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Re: 56 - 400 - Parting
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humanpotatohybrid wrote:
Interesting. What's the point of having radio reverb?


If you're not old enough to remember the 1960s, reverb units were all the rage. All the rage. Radio deejays ran their microphones through reverb units. Record companies used reverb on their recordings.

Reverb was also the rage on electric guitars in the late 1950s as accessory units and then as built-in features on guitar amplifiers. Les Paul and Mary Ford recorded with reverb, tremolo and echoplex effects– both on their guitars and on Mary's voice.

Jimi Hendrix was experimenting with reverb, tremolo, echoplex, Leslie and more into the 1970s.

Many of the car units (1960s-1970s) were universal-fit aftermarket. They sold like hotcakes for a while. But some units were even factory options. My Oldsmobile Starfire convertible had optional "Vibrasonic" on the rear speaker. Other cars had them too.

A lot of these things faded away for cars when stereo-FM was introduced (1966 Cadillac) and became a mainstay. And FM radio exploded in popularity and ceased to be just a haven for jazz aficionados and classical music. FM pumped up the music and became mainstream. The big, round & deep sound of reverb was included in the broadcast from FM stations.

Posted on: 2023/10/31 16:03
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Re: Packard Bikes
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Interesting to see (folks today who restore classic-era bicycles still have not learned that the manufacturers never painted over the heads on fender brace rivets. The rivets came AFTER the paint job– not before). Also interesting coloration job on the headbadge...and certainly not the usual factory colors.

Although the Colson Company (and later, the Colson Corporation) did indeed manufacture SOME Packard bicycles, it is not accurate to say that Colson also "marketed" these bicycles or the notion of Packard bicycles.

One needs to thoroughly understand just how bicycles were marketed in the USA during the 20th century. Problem is that almost nobody in the vintage bicycle hobby today truly understands the process and the methods used. This is why so much guessing and presumption goes on with the various brand names and headbadges on vintage American bicycles.

National Bicycle History Archive of America has perhaps the largest collection of Colson and Colson-built Packard bicycle literature that exists today.

Posted on: 2023/10/25 22:04
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Re: NO REVERSE!!!
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Tigeress1517 wrote:
Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone could help me please. My 1956 Patrician push button ultramatic was working fine and then i went to go into reverse and nothing. If i put it into drive, no problem, but sometimes if i put it into neutral it wants to go forward and if i put it into reverse it wants to go forward (sometimes) but if i put it in park, then netural, then reverse nothing. I hear the actuator selecting/clicking but nothing. I tried the trick with the jumper wire to drive to align it back up, nothing, i tried it for reverse as well and i had nothing for any gear, so i redid the pink wire and it was back to how it was, minus the reverse.

My thoughts are that the worm drive or selector has over hunted and now can not reach reverse. Is there a way to fix this without having to pull everything apart? Or am i completely off the mark?



Sounds to me like you very well could have bent contact "fingers" on your pushbutton actuator. So. The more you run it back & forth, the worse it will be. It won't get better on its own.

These assemblies are old and most are very tired. So... it is very possible on some 1956 Packards with pushbutton shift that the contact pie section can– and will– over-travel. Then you've got bent contact fingers... and a repair job on your hands (no pun intended).

TWO suggestions:

1.) Remove the small plate under the actuator housing. Look for any broken bits and see if things are tight. If not, be sure to properly position and tighten.

2.) OR remove the actuator assembly (some will say this is impossible, but it isn't) open it up and see what's going on inside.

Finally... why not simply contact the fellow known as "Mr. Pushbutton" and get to the bottom of things rather than guess? Mr. Pushbutton is the expert... the pro-from-Dover on these systems, repair and rebuild. I believe he has rebuilt systems on hand and ready to go.

Contact him through the Packard Club web site. I believe he is also on Facebook.

By the way... I have owned MANY of these Packards, over many, many years. A LOT of them. My own method for avoiding problems with the pushbutton shifters when they are old and worn (as most are) is as follows:
>>>>> shift NOT directly from PARK to DRIVE (or vice-versa) which invites over-travel. Rather, I go from PARK to NEUTRAL... THEN to DRIVE (or vice-versa). This reduces assembly travel to slow and small increments and thus reduces possibilities of over-travel.

Good practice to help longevity of service on these units.


Posted on: 2023/10/18 13:23
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