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Re: EtOH to 15%?
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The new study, co-sponsored by the US Department of Energy and the American Coalition for Ethanol (ACE),



This is a quote from the fuel economy report sited by Eric. I'm not surprised at who the sponsors were. Of corse they will say this. What would you expect?

Posted on: 2009/12/2 23:42
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Re: EtOH to 15%?
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if you build the engine specifically for Ethanol, you will get closer to the mileage that you had before Ethanol


Don't believe this is really true. You can't get more energy than exists in the fuel to start with. Lower energy means you will have to burn more fuel to do the same work. If you can do some magical thing to an engine to optimize its power output for one fuel you can do it for another. It all boils down to the fact that you can't get something for nothing. People have been trying to do that for a long time with no success. Brings to mind the hydrogen generators hooked to the electrical system of a car. That doesn't work either. The truth of that one is the milage goes down as well.

Posted on: 2009/12/2 23:36
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If I'm not mistaken EPA has confirmed lesser mileage with 10% ethanol than without it.


This is what I have read as well. The reduction in milage has been well proven. My 1973 charger with it's 318 gets less milage burning ethanol by quite a bit. It doesn't seem to have the power either it had when it was running on the old fuel with out ethanol.

Posted on: 2009/12/2 23:27
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Posted on: 2009/12/2 21:47
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Re: EtOH to 15%?
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What would you rather do?

I'd rather set the politics aside and discuss the point on its basis in science while keeping an open mind.

Posted on: 2009/12/2 21:32
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Posted on: 2009/12/2 21:04
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Re: Is this for real?
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58L8134
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Ghastly and Pretentious!

Plastering a new car with design hallmarks does not a Packard make!

Steve

Posted on: 2009/12/2 21:01
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Re: Survey: Automotive Art Prints
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58L8134
Hi LINC400

Thanks for your input and compliment. Backgrounds are always a problem, but my approach is limited by selfish considerations.

The primary purpose of my art is to showcase the design of the car. With that objective, the background wants to be period appropriate but very much secondary, even innocuous. This might limit the appeal to some folks, as you point out, though that's a chance any artist takes when he thinks of doing anything commercial.

When these are made available as prints, I hope the customer will buy them only for the pleasure the car's design. I imagine most automotive art buyers are interested in art suggesting a narrative, which I really don't care to imply with my works. My prints will be called "Purely for the Pleasure of the Design" editions. May guarantee low sales money losers but that's okay with me.

The subjects I currently use as backgrounds are Art Deco or Prairie School (Frank Lloyd Wright and contemporaries) design building. I have to freely admit, I'm not very satisfied with my watercolor landscape (trees, plants, etc.) technique, that's why I don't use those type of backgrounds.

As for the method to create the prints, I'm looking into giclee, its produces the best quality, but is somewhat expensive.

Thanks again for your input.

Steve

Posted on: 2009/12/2 20:49
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Re: EtOH to 15%?
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Perhaps we both need to dust off our thermodynamics texts. But I don't believe that raising octane is the same as raising the contained energy. If I'm not mistaken EPA has confirmed lesser mileage with 10% ethanol than without it.

Posted on: 2009/12/2 20:25
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Posted on: 2009/12/2 20:08
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