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Re: '56 license plate
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Alburton, looks like a very nice resto job that you've done!

I'm envious that you guys can get such interesting plates of various types. Here in Australia things are changing now, but back in the 50's you got a plate like 'BCX 289' which was yellow with black letters. The next guy had to take 'BCX 290' and so on, for the next million plates! Anyway, we eventually (1970's??) got to have a few choices and personalised plates (at first just with initials of your name, not much else . . .), but for our nice old cars there are virtually no 'fancy plates' like those you have, unless you go back many years and get a very old and expensive (but plain) three-digit plate from the early years.

I reckon I'll buy a couple of USA plates sometime and fit them to my '51, then just hang the club plates over them on outings. It will add a lot of character

Posted on: 2010/4/18 7:53
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Re: Packard history to be re-written! The first "Junior" model!
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Good one Mal!!

I wouldn't mind betting that one of these 'junior' models in mint condition would be worth almost as much as some full-sized 'juniors'. Building a replica would be a nice project for a sheet-metalworker.

Posted on: 2010/4/18 7:01
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Rear Axle and Brake Recon

The new wheel cylinders were sourced from Kanter, you can see just how bad the old cylinders are in the following photos.

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Note the yellowish gunk coming out of the brake wheel cylinder. This used to be brake fluid!

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Thrown in is a pic of the diff, with new seals fitted and a couple of coats of POR15 added.

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Showing the refurbished rear brake components ready to be fitted, and after completion. The backing plates (and drums - not shown here)were painted with heat resistant paint.

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Here is a pic showing the offset of the brake anchor pin. Offset allows proper positioning of the brake shoes when a full brake adjustment is carried out, as outlined in section IV of the Packard Service Manual, under Major Brake Adjustment..

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There was only minimal wear on the linings, so they just got a clean-up and a dose of heat-proof paint.

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Back together . . .

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Posted on: 2010/4/18 6:26
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Taking note of BigKev's suggestion regarding the Harbor Freight Stud Welder - I want one!

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3223

So after investigating for a few days to find whether any similar welder is available here in Oz - there is NO similar product (!amazing!).If you want to buy one in Australia it will be from the USA, off eBay.

I checked with my brother (who has been in the electronics game for years) and he happens to have a very large toroidal isolation transformer of 30KVA capacity. AOK to step down 240V to 110V and provide 30amps for the welder.

Next - emailed Harbor Freight for a quote on freight to Australia . . . . sadly the quote was around $150 US. I reckon that is too expensive for me at present, considering I don't need the welder at this time.

It has got me beat how you have to pay around the same amount (FedEx) for a 20lb package as for a 150lb package!! Ridiculous!

So buying my nice cheap stud welder will be put on hold . . .

Sadly it seems freight charges are a considerable barrier to importing the great stuff you want from the States.

Anyone coming over with a bit of spare room in their suitcase - let me know! (lol)

Posted on: 2010/4/18 5:18
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Thanks Kev, that unit (and no doubt others) would be brilliant to have in my toolkit!

Just recently used a fairly big version of a stud welder with multiple pin capacity (brand is 'EasyBeat') to pull out dents behind a few blind panels - and it worked great. The problem is that was a borrowed unit, and quite expensive (around $1500 Aus) so too pricey for me.

I have looked for an Oz handheld gun like the one you mentioned, and - unbelievable as it seems, there are none available here as far as I can tell! I even placed a call to a large welding supplies distributor -

http://www.nationalwelding.com.au/?gclid=CKyPmaj--qACFQsXewod-gaUvQ

to enquire and they haven't seen an Oz version. Would like to import the US one but the problem is 120VAC as opposed to 240 VAC we use.

I might yet import one and use it with a 240 to 120V transformer . . . .

Just one benefit of the method suggested for petrol tanks - possibly a stud welder would be more likely to ignite any vapour inside the tank, as it could possibly spark inside the tank. So I erred on cautious side because I think the 'glue stick' method is fairly safe providing fumes outside the tank are not present. You need only heat the washer / bolt assembly at a safe distance from the tank, if in doubt. My tank hasn't been used for around 40 years - definitely not even a whiff of petrol present!

Posted on: 2010/4/9 21:05
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Back home after a few weeks away seeing our grand-daughter
in Melbourne, and taking a few extra days to stop at a few camping spots down the south coast . . . beautiful. Now it's great to be back and getting some more done on the '51.

I had a few dents in the tank, so thought I'd mention a means of petrol tank dent repair.

Having a few small dents in the petrol tank was more of a problem with appearance than performance, but I wanted to get rid of them anyway. Looked around for some ideas for removing them, and came across this particular method, which works for some mild dents, but is not much use with sharply creased dents, dents in thick metal, etc. You can buy a kit from 'Ding King' which works on the same principle, but I made do with a hot glue gun and some bits and pieces I had laying around.

There are a lot of people out there who are ready to spend large amounts of money on dent removal, but I'm not inclined to do that on a fuel tank where the dents are completely hidden from view.

Most methods utilize heat and pressure to pop a dent out of a tank, but the risks of either explosion or distorting your tank are high, as is the cost. We've all heard the stories about fuel tanks exploding - even when almost filled with water.

I used the following:

- hot glue gun
- coach bolt with some of the head ground away, and several large washers, 2 nuts
- cupped washer (- this looked like a shock absorber cup washer) - the larger the diameter the better
- piece of sturdy angle iron approx 1.5 x 1.5 x 18 inches
- butane gas torch (small one will do)
- 240 grit wet and dry for roughing and cleaning the area.

You can see from the pics how it is done. Here are the materials:

In this photo just to the right of the puller you can see where I have been able to pull out an earlier dent reasonably well and have set up the unit ready to remove another dent.

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Best if the bolt cannot turn in the cup washer, so you can either weld the washer to the bolt or use the squared part of the upper shank in a squared hole in the washer to prevent turning when tightening. (I filed the round hole to square with a three-cornered file). Oiling the nut also helps prevent twisting, but be careful that no oil gets onto the surfaces where the glue will be. Sand the area to improve adhesion and clean thoroughly with thinners or metho.

A word of warning - keep the petrol cap / drain cock etc tightened and ensure that no petrol fumes are present when you have the torch alight! (A slightly safer method of sealing the tank is to stuff rag down the filler neck then tape plastic sheet over it. This can prevent the tank from exploding as the rag blows out and vents the tank, whereas a petrol cap doesn't give way). The procedure of heating the small area slightly to melt the glue is dangerous if there are any fumes around. Prevent fumes. If in doubt then give it a miss!

I melted plenty of glue into the cup washer, keeping it very hot, and quickly pre-heated the tank area also, then sat the cup with the liquefied glue onto the tank immediately. What I found is that you need to give the glue time to really harden, so allow around 30 minutes or longer. The bond gets stronger over time.

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You can easily pull the metal too far so take care to not be tightening the nut too much.

Some dents near corners etc will come a little way but the glue bond will give way before you get the dent all the way out. More 'pulling power' can be gained by gluing a larger area.

This pic is showing the glue bond just starting to give way. The dent has been almost removed at this stage.

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Posted on: 2010/4/9 5:45
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Re: Paint or Powder Coat Rims?
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G'day Hank, Many good comments above. A couple of thoughts . . . .

I'll suggest that two-pak (catalyzed) paint can give you an extremely durable finish that is on a par with powder coating, but as mentioned the most important aspect is surface preparation and priming. A good powder coating job will start with media blasting and then usually a good zinc-rich primer ('International Inter-Zinc' Epoxy Primer to name one) is applied before the powder coating. That primer is the important factor for both good rust prevention and excellent adhesion whether you are painting or powder coating.

The metal should first be treated with Deoxidine (Phosphoric Acid solution) to form a coating and neutralize any rust there.

I have a contact who works at a powder coating company and his opinion is that 2-pak paint is about as good so either way it will be a good job! Might just come down to cost and colour. I 2-pak'd the chassis of my '51 myself. It saved transporting it to and from, plus I knew it was done properly. I am very happy with the finish, it's hard as a rock!

Posted on: 2010/2/25 4:13
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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It was very good to get the bits locally! Thanks again for putting me in touch with ABC.
I found they have some very helpful people working there.

Posted on: 2010/2/20 17:43
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Replacing the Rear Axle Seals

Replacing the rear axle inner and outer oil seals was fairly routine and as outlined in the '51-54 Service Manual, with a few exceptions.

Thought it might be helpful to others to describe where I sourced my 1951 seals, and also the method I had to use to remove one of the inner seals that was very reluctant to shift.

Firstly, rather than order from Kanter I was able to obtain seals in Australia from ABC Bearings. A phone call and emailing a few photos of the genuine Packard seals I had removed, together with accurate dimensions assisted ABC in sending me the appropriate ones.

As is seen in the photos here, the original Packard outer seals consist of three parts - the grease guard plate, a 'cow-hide' seal and a retaining ring. The retaining ring is a tight fit in the plate and care needs to be taken in removing it to avoid damage to the plate.

If using the type of replacement that I used then the retaining ring will not be required. The new type neoprene seal should be a tight press fit into the plate, tapped in using a socket, or piece of pipe almost the same diameter as the seal.


Rear axle outer seals

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Removing one of the inner seals was very difficult. I had checked in packardinfo.com the type of Packard tool that was used in the Manual. J-943-B is the recommended tool, and no photo is available in the manual, however a diagram of the tool can be found in the Packard Literature and Manuals, it is on page 34 of the
1950 Packard Kent-Moore Service Tool Guide.
NOTE: Index towards front gives page numbers for a particular area, e.g. Rear Axle is indexed on page 65. Diagram of the tool is on page 34.

When I saw the picture of the tool I noted that it was unlikely to be good enough to remove the seal I had that was tight. So I modified a slider hammer (see pic) and tried for ages to 'hammer' the seal out but to no avail.

Next I bent up some steel strap (heavy stuff - 3/16inch thick, see photo) so I could apply pulling power via a 3-pound hammer. Even using this method it took a long time to get the seal out. I gave up on moving the effort around the seal evenly, in the end I just kept using my fabricated puller in the one spot. The photo shows just how much effort was needed to get the seal out.


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Slider hammer (which removed the RHS seal easily), and the special 'heavy duty' puller I fabricated.

'The persuader' - this one did the trick (eventually).

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When it finally came away the LHS seal was very distorted. Yet the RHS seal was removed very easily.

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Replacing the inners was straightforward, using a suitably sized socket and piece of heavy-walled pipe.

The Australian ABC product codes can be seen in the photographs.

Posted on: 2010/2/20 7:13
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Re: Larry's 1951 Club Sedan Project
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Thanks Gregg, likewise have enjoyed your blog, we are moving along similar resto paths by the look of it.

That totally 'true barn find' pic (- your first photo)is amazing! Did you have chickens roosting in your 120? Interior looks to be in good condition. I had rats nesting in mine for a short while when it was stored.

The blue - a very nice colour, will look great.

Posted on: 2010/2/20 6:54
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