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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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Got the engine free! Was just stiff on one of the cylinders. Got a little looser as I cranked it back and forth. Could hear the rust come free and fluid shot out of the spark plug hole. One valve stuck when I was cranking it, but I was able to pop it back down. All seems to be working fine now. The intake has a couple hairline cracks. Fluid I poured down the spark plug holes was leaking badly from either the intake/exhaust manifold gasket.

Will still try to fire it in the next couple days! Assuming the starter even works lol.

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Posted on: 2023/11/19 21:43
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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TxGoat wrote:
That doesn't look too bad in the pictures. Original grease, some surface rust, but pretty solid including areas under the running boards that are often badly rotted. I'd drive it. A member posted some pictures of a seriously rusted frame and under body a few weeks back. Look those pics up and compare. Your car looks well above average for a 1941 model that's never been cleaned up or painted over. The bolts on the inner fender may surprise you, or they may be hopelessly stuck, I'd apply penetrant and then try removing them the next day. A little heat may help. My '37 has a number of small bolts at the top of the panel, maybe 6, and 2 down lower. The panel is made to be easily removable to service the engine.

Your engine may have stuck valves or some rust in one or more cylinders. It takes VERY little rust to jam an engine.
Taking the valve covers off and spraying the stems may help.
I'd add some more oil to the cylinders and leave the plugs out, then rock it back and forth with the ratchet from one tight place back to the other. That will usually allow more and more movement until the engine can turn freely. Leaving the plugs out will relive any compression and will also keep the engine from hydro locking if too much oil is in one or more cylinders.


Yes, I had the plugs out when I was turning it.

The car definitely isn't super rusty, but I'd like to get it all cleaned up and properly painted/coated if possible...but I'd still like to get it running first (and maybe driving).

Posted on: 2023/11/19 17:57
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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Here is a photo of inside the pass side fender. You can tell it's a bit rust and has some bondo on the bottom. I imagine I'll have to cut all the bolts off holding it on. I know I don't have to do that to get the valve cover off, but wanted to include some photos of the underside to better show the condition of the car.

You can also see the ratchet I put on the crank... I have not applied any pressure to it when it stops at either direction. I'll pull the head and see what's going on before I put any muscle into it. If any valves are bent etc, it won't be because of me lol

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Posted on: 2023/11/19 13:40
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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TxGoat wrote:
You don't need to take the fenders off to access the valves. Take off the right front wheel and remove the inner fender panel. It's fairly easy to get it off and back on, and removing it will give access to the valve covers, the fuel pump, and the manifold heat valve.


10-4.. I'll probably fool around with it some more tomorrow. I'll start with the valve covers, but imagine I'll also need to remove the head. Then, I can clearly see what's going on. I'm guessing it's pretty freaking heavy and a hoist might be needed to remove it, which means I need to get the hood off.

I think I discovered why the last restoration attempt ended.. lol

Posted on: 2023/11/19 12:39
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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Caribbeandude wrote:
where are ypu located? I have a rebuilt engine and transmission for this car


I'm in the midwest. Feel free to send me a private message and let me know what you want for it. I'd be interested in it even as a spare.

For the right price, I can arrange freight shipping if we're too far apart.

Thanks!

Posted on: 2023/11/19 0:22
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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BigKev wrote:
If it turns some them sticks, then it's probably got a stuck valve. You may be be able to take the side valve covers off and see which one(s) are stuck. And the possible work it free if it hasn't been bent.


Yea, it's really hard to get to the valve cover with the fender in the way, not to mention the intake/exhaust.

Maybe I'll go ahead and start taking the fenders off tomorrow. I hate to do that already, but they're probably coming off one way or another, and it will make working on even the simplest things 1000X easier lol.

At that point. I can pull the valve cover to see what's going on, and even pull the head easily enough if need be.

Posted on: 2023/11/19 0:20
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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TxGoat wrote:
Any pics of the frame?


None at the moment, but I can try to get some.

Posted on: 2023/11/18 21:03
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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Well I didn't get far...The engine is stuck.

I turned it maybe half way and it stopped. Turned it the other direction and same thing. I didn't want to put a huge breaker bar on it yet, so I'll get some more fluid to soak in it.

I used over a bottle of marvel mystery oil, but only soaking 2 days probably wasn't long enough...

Posted on: 2023/11/18 21:02
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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Bob J wrote:
Please feel free to do anything you want with your car, it's yours!
I know that you are anxious to see if it runs, but really...why? There is no hurry right? I know it may not be winter where you are, but at any rate the days are getting short and it is a good time to putter away inside until the spring brings in the nicer weather. In the meantime do a nice careful disassembly of the main engine parts that will allow you to achieve a nice running unit once all things are in place. So what if you get it running now to simply hear it go knowing there is no way you would drive it like that. You are not needing this car Monday to go to work. Relax and enjoy a calm and directed approach to bringing an 80+ year old car back to life.
It WILL run, these old flatheads are pretty much guaranteed to do so unless you see a con-rod sticking out the side of the block!
Pull the carb, water pump, starter, generator, master/wheel cylinders and radiator off and send them all out for rebuild.
Pull the head off and remove the valves so you can thoroughly clean them and their seats along with the cylinder head's combustion chamber.
Order new spark plugs, points, condenser, oil filter, coil, plug wires, battery, cap and rotor so the ignition side is good.
Pull the gas tank and get it dunked. blow out the fuel lines while it and the pump are off.
Run new cables/wires to the starter from the battery. Run new wires for the ignition and starter, brake/tail lights, headlights/signal lights.
While all that is going on, redo the brake shoes and replace the brake lines. Check the drums for wear and resurface if necessary. Inspect wheel bearings/seals. Free up the emergency brake cables. Drain and replace the transmission and differential fluids.
Then when the rebuilt parts come in 6 months or so later you reassemble, put in new oil and water and dump some fuel in the carb and hear her fire up easily and take her safely for a spin.
Then you have a car, not just an engine that runs (poorly) with no confidence in the rest of the machine.
Have fun!
Bob J.


Hi Bob. Thanks for your response! I totally agree with your approach, which is why I want to take the body off the frame and do things right the first time.

Yes, I'm going to go through the engine properly of course and likely remove it completely from the vehicle, especially if I separate the body from the frame. I'm just curious for fun to see if she will fire.

If it really wants to run well, I may just do a full tune up on the engine (new water pump, 12v generator, carb kit, etc..) and maybe see if the transmission works..No brakes, so that could be a little dicey lol If it actually runs/drives decent, then maybe I'll update all the brakes and take it for a maiden voyage before deciding on pulling the body off, etc.

Right now is the exciting part of a project before a million problems are discovered and the frustration sets in lol!

Posted on: 2023/11/18 16:22
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Re: Just bought a 1941 Packard 120 - Considering a frame off resto
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I think maybe some people here are from further down south and not as familiar with rust. This car could really use a good sandblasting and paint underneath. I couldn't care less about grease. That only serves as a rust inhibitor! lol

The previous work on this car is just lipstick on a pig so it looks good on the outside from a 20 feet away.

Also, I can't fathom repiecing the entire dash/cluster back to how it was originally. It's a mess and 90% of it is missing as this car bounced around a few different owners in its current state with each person losing/selling parts off of it. I would need a donor car with a complete dash to figure out how to make it right/original.

My best guess on the oil pan and valve cover paint is that the engine was worked on/overhauled at some point in the distant past. I don't think any of the recent previous owners actually removed the pan, because the top of the bolts are still caked in grease... They haven't been unbolted as far as I can tell. Someone just wiped it clean, it looks like.

I soaked the cylinders in Marvel and plan to try to run the engine this weekend just for a moment with starter fluid. Going to rig up a battery, 12v coil, solenoid, push button starter, change the oil, and see if she'll fire. I'll crank it by hand first, and hook up an oil pressure gauge when I try to crank the starter.

The goal is to make this a nice restomod. Maybe I shouldn't post here about it too much if it's ruffling too many feathers.

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Posted on: 2023/11/18 13:19
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